Jon Venables is not David Calvert

[Northerner]

I have had a few text messages yesterday, asking me to pass that same text message on to everyone I know, informing me that a certain Jon Venables has been given the identity as David Calvert .

The message supposedly outs Jon Venables as a Mr David Calvert.. If you get a message like this, IGNORE IT! Or better yet, reply to the sender a link to this news story.

This poor guy is facing potential beatings or worse because some people of a limited IQ like to pass on the "truth" before they can get it verified or proven.

[Florge]

this is insane... poor fella...

[KeithD]

this is insane... poor fella...

No it isn't ..... in this country we MUST protect the criminals while the innocent take all the crap ..... that's freedom and human rights

[johncar54]

This illustrates the problem of people taking the law into their own hands.


So many times we heard people claiming the right to do so. Like those who say it's OK to pursue burglars who break into their homes, rapists, child molesters etc.

It is only when an instance like this is high-lighted that we can see clearly that there is almost always a problem with identifying the perpetrators. It is all too easy for innocent people to be targeted.

If we are dissatisfied with the way convicted criminals are dealt with under the law we need to lobby our (your) MP and get the law changed, so that it reflects the wishes of the electorate. But don't hold your breath, I know hardly anyone has, or will, go down that road. Most prefer to just complain the the converted.

There are exceptions to this generalisation, that's why they get the laws changed, often by the vociferous minority against the wishes of the silent majority.

[joebloggs]

This illustrates the problem of people taking the law into their own hands.


So many times we heard people claiming the right to do so. Like those who say it's OK to pursue burglars who break into their homes, rapists, child molesters etc.

It is only when an instance like this is high-lighted that we can see clearly that there is almost always a problem with identifying the perpetrators. It is all too easy for innocent people to be targeted.

the other day on the news, it was the first time i heard a gov spokeman speak some sense, when the said its obivious this person is not venables, becuase venables is in prison

john if it was your child that was murdered by venables, i'm sure you would feel justice was not done.

[johncar54]

the other day on the news, it was the first time i heard a gov spokeman speak some sense, when the said its obivious this person is not venables, becuase venables is in prison

john if it was your child that was murdered by venables, i'm sure you would feel justice was not done.

I did say, "If we are dissatisfied with the way convicted criminals are dealt with under the law we need to lobby our (your) MP and get the law changed, so that it reflects the wishes of the electorate. But don't hold your breath, I know hardly anyone has, or will, go down that road. Most prefer to just complain to the converted."

Just for the record, my brother was murdered, so I do have a different perspective on this than maybe most. I also have had close contact with both victims of crime and perpetrators. Sorry I believe, you may not agree, that gives me a better insight than many, to make reasoned judgement.

[joebloggs]

Just for the record, my brother was murdered, so I do have a different perspective on this than maybe most. I also have had close contact with both victims of crime and perpetrators. Sorry I believe, you may not agree, that gives me a better insight than many, to make reasoned judgement.

and you think justice was done with regards to your brothers murderer ?

if you was james father, you think justice was done, they got 8yrs in a secure home, for beating your 2 year old son to death

my younger brother was not murdered, but was kicked by 2 drunken yobs and was in a coma, some justice my brother got, he never fully recovered from it, im at work now, so i cant tell you now what i think of the CPS and lawyers

[johncar54]

and you think justice was done with regards to your brothers murderer ?

if you was james father, you think justice was done, they got 8yrs in a secure home, for beating your 2 year old son to death

my younger brother was not murdered, but was kicked by 2 drunken yobs and was in a coma, some justice my brother got, he never fully recovered from it, im at work now, so i cant tell you now what i think of the CPS and lawyers

Sorry Joe, just because I believe in the rule of law does not necessarily mean that I agree with everything in relation to the law. I did lobby my MP when I lived in UK. On one occasion, just before a vote on the death penalty, I got him to change his mind and vote for it's retention.

But as I say, most people do not make the effort to influence their law makers and then think for some reason that justifies them saying they have the right to take the law into their own hands.

I bet very few people have ever even spoken to their MP let alone tried to influence them. The way I see it (saw it when I lived in UK and still do in Spain with my local council here) is that my MP is there to represent my view. If I don't tell him what that is, why would I be surprised that he votes the way he wants and not the way I want ?

[pennybarry]

Children violent murder is shocking and unbelievable.
The law dunno what to do anymore.
It is not appropriate to jail children and they did.
They protect very well the children especially children who commit murder.

[Juana]

It's sad that people act only for their own benefit. It sounds selfish but yeah that's the fact. I guess people are just too coward to fight or even do something for what they believe in and many of those who did end up dead or imprisoned.
Going back to Jon Venables, he is really ----- up. None of which is his faullt. He had a dysfunctional upbringing. But does he deserve a second chance because his therapy sessions worked and he's actually improving? I think not. That two year old child didn't even get half the chance so why does he (and R. Thompson)???
Let's say yes he's ok to to be released in the outside world and he is actually sane. I think it's only a matter of time for him to snap again. The media will push him. Now who's the real victim in that?
But you know what's ironic? I was reading the Times the other day, on one page saying about Jon Venables getting released after 8 years of imprisonment instead of life-long sentence and on the other saying that "Short prison term doesn't cut crime".

[johncar54]

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