The Great Evolution Deception Final Word

[John Chingford]

You do not need to reply to this thread. I am not setting up a new thread as the moderator does not want this thread to continue. This is just for info purposes.

I haven't had a chance to visit this site for quite some time so had not previously been able to answer the many sensible comments. The purpose of this new thread is to simply state that I have set up my very own blogsite. I have set out to answer the comments on this blogsite for those of you who are interested.

I have set out to give strong evidence why the Bible can be trusted and it is in the process of answering all the comments on the evolution debate.

It also covers topics which are appropriate to agnostics, the open-minded, Christians, and to alert and warn those who are being led into deception by some unscrupulous and corrupt Church leaders.

It is less than 2 months old, so is still being developed, but still has a lot of material. My blogsite is:

[keithAngel]

Hi John I notice a contradiction in terms Evolution implies change which wouldnt allow "a final word"

[John Chingford]

Good point. I have to agree with you if I accepted evolution as fact, but I do not.Therefore I can give a final word lol.

[keithAngel]

What an interesting thing to say although perhaps I should seek a definition of evolution

• development: a process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage); "the development of ...
• (biology) the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary development of a species or taxonomic group of organisms

The first I guess could relate to for example evolution of a person from baby to old age and the different stages ,abilities , experiences in that process.

The second might relate for example in the physical and behavoral changes in a species like a Wolf to all of our current breeds of Dog for example is it one or both of these you dont agree with?

[John Chingford]

What an interesting thing to say although perhaps I should seek a definition of evolution

• development: a process in which something passes by degrees to a different stage (especially a more advanced or mature stage); "the development of ...
• (biology) the sequence of events involved in the evolutionary development of a species or taxonomic group of organisms

The first I guess could relate to for example evolution of a person from baby to old age and the different stages ,abilities , experiences in that process.

The second might relate for example in the physical and behavoral changes in a species like a Wolf to all of our current breeds of Dog for example is it one or both of these you dont agree with?

Okay, thanks for that KeithAngel. Let me clarify. I do not believe in the way evolution is presented ie the length of time it took and how one type of animal turned into another etc. There is much evidence (which is just as convincing) in archeological finds, fossils etc which could also be argued for a much younger Earth, ie that processes can work much faster than first thought. For example (on a much smaller scale) the Durham Canyon which "suddenly" appeared after floods.

However, I do accept that evolution happens within breeds of animals (such as a vast number of different types of dogs or cats etc). But as the Bible maintains, there is enough scientific evidence to show that dogs turned into dogs, cats into cats and humans into humans with all the variety within each species.

By the way, to the one who said that my blogsite said that the bible disproves evolution. I never said that. My site does not say that evolution is a myth. It simply states that the way evolution is taught is faulty and can be shown to be so through scientific evidence.

Regarding the one who said I did not want to answer the questions. I choose not to because I have already answered these questions on my two other threads with similar titles on the great evolution deception. On those threads I was asked to bring the discussion to an end, so this is the reason I will not debate this out of respect for him.

If you really want to know my answers then please visit my blogsite. Most of you are very intelligent, so I know that you will figure a way of finding my blogspot by googlesearch on the internet (even though reference to my site has now been removed. For those not interested then don't bother.

This has to be FINALLY my last word.

[triple5]

Just had a quick read of some of your latest blog posts.

The Flood of Noah’s day was the greatest catastrophe in earth history

I think the dinosaurs might disagree with you on that one. You say "Ice age" but which one? I presume you're referring to the last ice age which ended about 12500 years ago, but you say it ended only a few thousand years ago.

From another post:

Nevertheless, the Bible teaches quite plainly that the early patriarchs often lived to be nearly 1,000 years old and even had children when they were several hundred years old! Similar claims of long life spans are found in the secular literature of several ancient cultures (including the Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Indians, and Chinese). But even a life span of nearly 1,000 years is sadly abbreviated when we consider that God initially created us to live forever.

Have there ever been fossils found that can back this up?

[KeithD]

It would be a deception except for one tiny little flaw ..... it's TRUE unless you're completey stupid and can't do simple physics, biology, chemistry and maths.

OK OWN UP Who buried dinosaur bones all over the planet in the last 6000 year?

[keithAngel]

Br I thought we were going to have a sensible discussion like perhaps these bones are just a practical joke by some mischevious space fairing set of pranksters and in a more holographic sense there is neither time nor location

[aromulus]

So far.... So good.....

[keithAngel]

So far.... So good.....

Far be it from me to stray off topic Dom but does anyone know what the record for posts on a single thread is?

[KeithD]

Far be it from me to stray off topic Dom but does anyone know what the record for posts on a single thread is?

36,974 ...... not sure but I think the topic was 'Evolution'

[laurel]

You do not need to reply to this thread. I am not setting up a new thread as the moderator does not want this thread to continue. This is just for info purposes.

I haven't had a chance to visit this site for quite some time so had not previously been able to answer the many sensible comments. The purpose of this new thread is to simply state that I have set up my very own blogsite. I have set out to answer the comments on this blogsite for those of you who are interested.

I have set out to give strong evidence why the Bible can be trusted and it is in the process of answering all the comments on the evolution debate.

It also covers topics which are appropriate to agnostics, the open-minded, Christians, and to alert and warn those who are being led into deception by some unscrupulous and corrupt Church leaders.

It is less than 2 months old, so is still being developed, but still has a lot of material. My blogsite is:

Go to
This guy proves evolution is a complete and utter myth.........straight from the bible.

[Jamesey]

This is just for info purposes.

You mean, for "mis-information" purposes.

[aposhark]

Oh No, we've been through all of this nonsense before!

Why can't Christians let it go?

Booooooorrrrrriiiiiinggggggg

BTW His website is still in the signature!

[aromulus]

Oh No, we've been through all of this nonsense before!

Why can't Christians let it go?

Booooooorrrrrriiiiiinggggggg

BTW His website is still in the footer!

I was waiting for you.........

[KeithD]

I wonder at what point Gods evolved

[aposhark]

Probably thousands of years ago when people looked up at the Sun, Moon and Stars and also when storms and such-like came.

These things must have been overwhelmingly scary and awe-inspiring for onlookers who didn't know what they were

[Arthur Little]

... WHO, I wonder, IS going to have the 'final word'?

[somebody]

I wonder at what point Gods evolved

Indeed Jesus followers evolved from Jews to Christians


Personally I think evolution is far more a amazing thing than saying all was created in a week.

Peace and love to all whatever you belive as long as you dont harm others

[Arthur Little]

Peace and love to all whatever you belive as long as you dont harm others

... my feelings entirely!!!

[Northerner]

BEHOLD... The One true GOD!

[Doc Alan]

It's not just animals and plants which evolve. The same process (gene mutations in cells, with natural selection / survival of the fittest) results in cancer cells, new flu viruses, and antibiotic-resistant bacteria - Whatever you believe, best to get the right treatment for you and your loved ones if it's ever needed

[KeithD]

It's not just animals and plants which evolve. The same process (gene mutations in cells, with natural selection / survival of the fittest) results in cancer cells, new flu viruses, and antibiotic-resistant bacteria - Whatever you believe, best to get the right treatment for you and your loved ones if it's ever needed

Creationists who deny evolution tend not to recognize the fact it happens in front of their own eyes Dog breeds and viruses are quick evolvers.

Anyway, must dash and worship Zeus, or he'll send Thor to whip my

[John Chingford]

I wasn't going to get involved in this and this will be my very last word about evolution and creation on this website. However, I have to say something. Creationists look at the scientific evidence and using science and scientific methods look at possible solutions or loopholes in the way evolution is used. They have come up with some extremely well thought out solutions, using the same evidence available to all and which highlight errors in evolutionary thinking.

Creationists then put their case together to expose some of the nonsense of biassed scientists who just simply want to disprove God for selfish reasons. Creationists are open-minded in that they do not ignore or reject the evidence. However, it seems that evolutionists refuse to examine the evidence found by creationists sufficiently enough and show (actually) they are very ignorant in their attitudes - so unscientific!

Please look at these videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtFjG...&playnext=1://

which show up how ludicrous scientists can be. Let us blame all the inconsistencies in the universe on asteroids etc eh?

[somebody]

I wasn't going to get involved in this and this will be my very last word about evolution and creation on this website. However, I have to say something. Creationists look at the scientific evidence and using science and scientific methods look at possible solutions or loopholes in the way evolution is used. They have come up with some extremely well thought out solutions, using the same evidence available to all and which highlight errors in evolutionary thinking.

Creationists then put their case together to expose some of the nonsense of biassed scientists who just simply want to disprove God for selfish reasons. Creationists are open-minded in that they do not ignore or reject the evidence. However, it seems that evolutionists refuse to examine the evidence found by creationists sufficiently enough and show (actually) they are very ignorant in their attitudes - so unscientific!

Please look at these videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtFjG...&playnext=1://

which show up how ludicrous scientists can be. Let us blame all the inconsistencies in the universe on asteroids etc eh?

So you just make statments but dont want to debate them surely if you passionately belive in something then you would wish to debate the matter to prove those who have the wrong end of the stick wrong and enlighten them?

So can you explain viruses, bacteria, plants, animals and how they dont evolve even though we have recorded evidence of it happening?

[Northerner]

Only creationists use the term "Evolutionary" with respect to the other sciences. Evolution is a facet of Biology, with millions of examples of evidence to prove the "theory".

Creationism is the limited scope of taking a book as the absolute truth, and why? Because it says so in the book

That video link contained a blatant lie before the first 2 minutes were used up! The speaker says that the Big Bang theory is simply the theory that everything came from nothing and that all life can be explained with current scientific knowledge. the speaker is knowingly misinforming the audience.

Ask any scientist to prove to you that the "Big bang theory is true and they will likely tell you that "we're working on it" and that they are open to other theories - if one can mesh with the knowledge of the known universe. Ask a Christian/Jew/Muslim to prove that their book is the one true word of the creator, and they will simply insist it is true because it says so right there in that same book

And then they tell you how painful hell is going to feel when you get there!

There has never been a single creationist who has EVER been able to prove their point. Either they rely on faith or try to change the meaning of the word "science" (See Ray Comfort/aka Banana-man).

Science is not a replacement for religion, as a religion. Science is simply the study of the world around us, the study of life and everything else. So if we don't know something, scientific models are worked on when it comes to things like Evolution or the Big Bang And theories are generated, debated and experiments performed as a way to either prove or disprove a theory.

Who knows, perhaps one day we will come to realize that the Big bang theory was wrong! But if we do, that will be because newer information has come our way and improved science as a whole.

But even then there will be people telling the worlds greatest minds that they fail to understand the intricacies of the bible or the Koran, and that years of scientific research does not equal a few months reading books written by superstitious middle eastern Iron age men...

[KeithD]

That video link contained a blatant lie before the first 2 minutes were used up! The speaker says that the Big Bang theory .....

Hence the reason it has the word THEORY in it .... but we can see 14.2 Billion years of evolution of the Universe, you can see 10,000's of years with your naked eye.

[aposhark]

Now be careful, he may just have to reply again which will be his THIRD Final Word !!!!

The sound on the front door "Knock Knock"

Opens door "Hello"

John Chingford "Sorry for knocking on your door again, but you know that its been a while since I tried to force issues. I thought I'd leave it a while but I really do need to have the final word on this.

So why don't you all just believe everything I say and stop asking stupid questions?"

Door closes and the music goes back on............

[Gavanddal]

There has never been a single creationist who has EVER been able to prove their point. Either they rely on faith or try to change the meaning of the word "science"

Creationists- Wake up and join the REAL world for goodness sake, this is the 21st century not the stone age!!

[walesrob]

So can you explain viruses....we have recorded evidence of it happening?

I recommend Eset Anti-Virus...oh hang on, I thought this was a computer discussion.....sorry....