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    BBC 3's Blood, Sweat and Luxuries

    Six young British consumers swap their luxury lives for the simple mud huts and shanty towns of Africa and Asia to work alongside the people who mine, manufacture, process and recycle luxury goods.

    Just watched the one in the philippines and not very proud to be British atm.

    God knows what the filipino supervisor thought of us.

    These guys could not do the work for just a few hours or at least try and be respectful.


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    When was it on? Would like to see the Philippines one. Do you know if it will be repeated?


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    Quote Originally Posted by South-east boy View Post
    When was it on?
    9 o'clock last Tuesday night on BBC3, Tim ... ...


    Quote Originally Posted by South-east boy View Post
    Would like to see the Philippines
    ... Not THOSE parts you wouldn't!! Much of this particular episode was filmed inside an electronics factory - while the remainder was shot in squalid and deprived areas of Manila Province - so you most definitely would NOT have been impressed with the "scenery"!


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    It's been on a few times, though only one showing left.

    Tue 18 May 2010 21:00 BBC Three
    Tue 18 May 2010 23:45 BBC Three
    Thu 20 May 2010 20:00 BBC Three
    Fri 21 May 2010 01:15 BBC Three
    Fri 21 May 2010 22:30 BBC Three
    Sat 22 May 2010 02:10 BBC Three
    Mon 24 May 2010 04:10 BBC Three

    Otherwise it's on iplayer.


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    Unfortunately, television producers are very good at choosing people who will be excellent entertainment to watch on TV, rather then actually sending someone who would probably relish the opportunity to be out there.
    Now a Brit to be proud of is Jane Walker, who has setup the Philippine Community Fund:

    http://www.p-c-f.org/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjBjWqrTg2Q
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-1743369.html

    We were out with the project last year, and have to say it is an unbelievable setup. The kind of charity I like where it's not about giving something to people, it's about helping people to help themselves.

    Wonder how much money the following put into helping the Philippines?

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/26/phi...teglove_google


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    Quote Originally Posted by burdock View Post
    Six young British consumers swap their luxury lives for the simple mud huts and shanty towns of Africa and Asia to work alongside the people who mine, manufacture, process and recycle luxury goods.
    My wife and I watched the programme ... after being alerted to it by my 92-year-old aunt. I'd intended starting a thread next day ... inviting comments from other members who had happened to tune-in ... but didn't get round to it - because we'd both forgotten the title of the series!


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    Quote Originally Posted by burdock View Post
    Just watched the one in the philippines and not very proud to be British atm.
    ... the Filipino factory employees - and more particularly, the poor, hardworking folk in the squalid, deprived provincial areas - certainly put the Brits to shame ... and the latter [hopefully] had a profound and lasting effect on the spoilt brats' luxurious lifestyles!!


    Quote Originally Posted by burdock View Post
    God knows what the filipino supervisor thought of us.
    ?? ... 'nuff said!


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    seen it too , we dont realize how lucky we are with what we have , but i am still hoping to retire there before i am 60, not manila though, any other suggestions where to go


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    Quote Originally Posted by stevewool View Post
    but i am still hoping to retire there before i am 60, not manila though, any other suggestions where to go
    Well, Steve ... I'm kinda at a loss to suggest anywhere specific. But Myrna belongs to the southeastern corner of Mindanao - the second largest of the Philippine islands - which is graced with many attractive locations. Likewise, the popular tourist resorts of Boracay & Bohol in the Visayas ... both famous for their splendid white sands and spectacular panoramic views.

    During my second visit, we'd to fly to Manila on two separate occasions: firstly to exchange my CNI ... and later, to deposit Myrna's spousal visa application. However, all WE saw were the prosperous areas closest to the THEN VFS building in the business district of Makati - and none of the outlying "shanty towns".


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    I agree with RickyR. A couple of the English people featured in the program were idiots, but they make entertaining TV.

    Overall, I thought it was a very interesting and informative program. A couple of the girls seemed to be genuinely moved by the situation of the factory worker supporting her family in Mindoro.


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    Just watched it on the i-player too. Agree with everyone elses comments. Also makes me realise how lucky I am to have a good job and lifestyle in the UK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stevewool View Post
    seen it too , we dont realize how lucky we are with what we have
    Quote Originally Posted by Englishman2010 View Post
    Just watched it on the i-player too. Agree with everyone elses comments. Also makes me realise how lucky I am to have a good job and lifestyle in the UK.
    Yes, gents ... ... we're fortunate indeed to live here in the UK!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesey View Post
    A couple of the English people featured in the program were idiots, but they make entertaining TV.
    Maybe so ... but the programme WASN'T designed to entertain. It's purpose was to highlight the contrasting lifestyles of spendthrifts accustomed to living in the 'lap of luxury' - with those in poorer countries *working their guts out to supply goods which the average consumer in the western world takes for granted. And *this they did for a pittance of a wage - equivalent to about £2 a day in British monetary terms. Shocking!


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    Maybe so ... but the programme WASN'T designed to entertain. It's purpose was to highlight the contrasting lifestyles of spendthrifts accustomed to living in the 'lap of luxury' - with those in poorer countries *working their guts out to supply goods which the average consumer in the western world takes for granted. And *this they did for a pittance of a wage - equivalent to about £2 a day in British monetary terms. Shocking!
    Arthur.. The minimum wage in Manila is around 350.00PHP per day which these days is closer to a fiver. Now if these workers are permanent then this does not include SS and sometimes Philhealth benefits plus overtime so that 2 pound figure the programme told you should really be around 8 quid..(8 Quid here goes 2/3 times further than a 8 Quid in the UK)
    Not trying to say thats a good wage by any means but its still not as bad as 2 Quid..
    The problem that local manufactures have here is the competition from the big boys in China and India.. There are still places there where people will work for a couple of bowls of rice..How can anyone compete with that?
    BTW..A fish vendor in Manila averages around 15 Quid a day which is more than many Eastern European cash in hand construction workers get in the UK ..( after cost of living is taken into consideration)..
    Thats also shocking!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesey View Post
    Overall, I thought it was a very interesting and informative program.
    Did you really?

    Well ... good for YOU! I take it you're English ... and not a member of one of the Mindoro families doing such a diabolical job in order to eek out a meagre existence.

    What I'D like to see is someone making a DECENT documentary - illustrating the myriad of beauty that is to be found in these islands - instead of filming all the crap portayed in the likes of this one ... and the Charlie Boorman effort shown several months ago!! Or is that too much to expect?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    What I'D like to see is someone making a DECENT documentary - illustrating the myriad of beauty that is to be found in these islands - instead of filming all the crap portayed in the likes of this one ... and the Charlie Boorman effort shown several months ago!! Or is that too much to expect?
    Cheer up, Arthur!

    You can't expect every program on the Philippines to be something that the Philippine tourist board might produce. But there have been several documentaries about the Philippines that have highlighted the beauty and positive aspects of the islands. For example the Lonely Planet episode, Michael Palin's "Full Circle", Fantastic Festivals of the World, Planet Food in Manila, the documentary about whale shark watching in Donsol, etc. I also think that Charlie Boorman's program was a positive one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesey View Post
    Cheer up, Arthur!

    You can't expect every program on the Philippines to be something that the Philippine tourist board might produce. But there have been several documentaries about the Philippines that have highlighted the beauty and positive aspects of the islands. For example the Lonely Planet episode, Michael Palin's "Full Circle", Fantastic Festivals of the World, Planet Food in Manila, the documentary about whale shark watching in Donsol, etc. I also think that Charlie Boorman's program was a positive one.
    Jamesey ... perhaps it's a "generational" thing! And whilst I respect your views as a much younger person than either Dedworth or myself, I feel it's programmes like the one under discussion] that give people who've never been to the Phils [nor are ever likely to WANT to go there if they saw it!] the wrong impression about what ARE (for the most part) beautiful tropical islands with soooo much to offer visitors. I mean, do you honestly believe that anyone wishing to produce a film extolling the picturesque scenery of say, Scotland (for the sake of argument) would, in his or her right mind, set up cameras amidst the high-rise flats in the "slum" areas of Glasgow (the city of MY birth, incidentally!). No, they most certainly would NOT!!

    Point taken about the documentaries made by Michael Palin and the others you mention. Unfortunately, I didn't see any of those ... though I'd have really liked to - now that I've been there twice, myself (and on the second occasion, stayed for 3 months). And yes, it's important that viewers are made aware of the impoverished, as well as the desirable aspects of a country. But the fact remains, that MOST folk - and Filipinos are no exception - much prefer to have their homeland portrayed to the 'outside world' in the best possible light, rather than as some kind of massive "dumping ground". It's called 'pride' ... one of the seven deadly sins, admittedly - but a very human one - and one that is to be found almost everywhere on the planet.


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    If you look on You Tube Arthur you might find Charlie Boormans and the other programs mentioned.
    Its unusual for anything positive to be shown about
    the Philippines but I have always enjoyed my many visits there, even through some horrendous times when my boys were babies and they always got taken ill when we visited. In those days our holiday always consisted of 3 to 7 days camped out in hospital with even more horror stories of bad treatment,wrong medication doses, you name it we suffered it, And most of them was at Makati General or Angeles University hospitals. Thank God we can laugh about it now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesey View Post
    A couple of the girls seemed to be genuinely moved by the situation of the factory worker supporting her family in Mindoro.
    ... that's very true. And THEY are to be commended for their compassion. But the guys ... or, at least, ONE in particular ...


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    They had one recently where they were in Thailand and a few other countries I think with young people. Some of them did very well from memory.
    A better example would have been backpack traveller where these young people had to travel across Indonesia and although some of them struggled in the end they got down to it and did very well from what i saw..

    I doubt many Brits or now wealthy Phill's on this site would find it easy to find the motivation to literally turn into a robot.
    Did i struggle with the very different conditions in Phill? Yes I did and im sure many on here have been in not as luxurious conditions as the Wifes family in phil

    Plus as people on here have already mentioned the producers run hundreds of tests and cast loads of applicants looking for those who make good tv.

    Just as big brother does not represent the UK and its people from what I have encountered...

    For me what would be intresting as well as seeing brits of all backgrounds in the same situation would be 2nd gen and 3rd gen youngsters experiencing what there forebears did. To see how living in the Uk has affected them if at all.

    Only four generations ago members of my family were farmers and cooks in household I doubt I could do that.
    Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops


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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Just as big brother does not represent the UK and its people from what I have encountered...
    ... thank God for that!

    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Only four generations ago members of my family were farmers and cooks in household I doubt I could do that.
    Nor could I, Andy ... I'm quite prepared to admit it! But then, I'M already an


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    Obviously from the same bunch of overpaid BBC clowns that gave us "Blood, Sweat and Takeaways"

    Get a group of 20 something,pretentious Grade B assholes, give them some boring or unpleasant work to do on the other side of the world and film the reactions. The BBC would be better off saving the travel budget and sending them to a sewage farm up north.

    The distasteful prize wa*nker on this one is a cretin called Oscar

    All in all a disgraceful waste of licence payers money


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    The distasteful prize wa*nker on this one is a cretin called Oscar
    *Oscar was it? ... well HE'S ONE that won't be winning any of the *aforesaid anytime soon!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    All in all a disgraceful waste of licence payers money
    ... and I'm glad SOMEONE concurs with my verdict on inane programmes like these!


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    Arthur Sir i think we all know Phill has a lot of problems with poverty and I have raised the point on here why is it indonesina and Thailand even Vietnam not have every program made about them turn in to a programe about poverty

    Is it because of how the TV companies are treated in Phill ie left up to get on as they please? Do other governments either dictate or have more successful pr/tourism departments?

    One thing i do know is loads of people (certainly media types) have been to these two countries but very very few to Phill.

    Thailand has the supposed "mail order bride issue" and sex trade issues yet not all programmes there focus on it.

    While Phill people are friendly somehow many people without vested interests don't feel welcome there and tourism is not really cultivated it seems..

    Most people on the plane in to mnl seem to be ofws or spouses and possibly families. Foreign spouses to be.

    Yet on a kuwait airlines plane i went on once which literally stopped in Thailand for passagners to board and get off loads of tourists got on and off after that it was the same old same old types.

    Very strange yet in London I always see lots of wow Philippines adverts and now and then a mention in the travel pages but nothing like the mentions both in the media and the people i interact have for its neighbours
    Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops


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    Quote Originally Posted by somebody View Post
    Yet on a kuwait airlines plane i went on once which literally stopped in Thailand for passagners to board and get off loads of tourists got on and off after that it was the same old same old types.

    Very strange yet in London I always see lots of wow Philippines adverts and now and then a mention in the travel pages but nothing like the mentions both in the media and the people i interact have for its neighbours
    Yes but the Philippines has something that Thailand and Vietnam does not, muslim independance fighters and the commies in the north. The commies in Vietnam are docile and need the money from tourism, but I think Bangkok has lost most of its tourism for a while.
    You also have the long nose tax to put up with

    I do`nt think the government is that worried about tourism as it biggest export ,people, keeps the country afloat with the money they send home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete/London View Post
    Yes but the Philippines has something that Thailand and Vietnam does not, muslim independance fighters and the commies in the north. The commies in Vietnam are docile and need the money from tourism, but I think Bangkok has lost most of its tourism for a while.
    You also have the long nose tax to put up with

    I do`nt think the government is that worried about tourism as it biggest export ,people, keeps the country afloat with the money they send home.
    Very true but lets be honest people came to the UK when we had bombs going of here there and everywhere.
    From what I read Thailand for the last 5 years or so has had troubles. Plus had the southern thailand insurgency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_So...iland_bombings From what I read and see Indonesia has plenty of issues in some areas but doesn't stop many from what i see.

    Plus when I speak to typical Brits who have travelled widely about Phill they rarely if ever mention the "troubles" some might mention ferries sinking, poverty and possibly floods possibly Imelda and her shoes is all they know. If i be honest i knew more about just about every other Asian country than Phill before I met the Wife as well

    So why does Phill have wow philippines and often when a new terminal or airport is set up much talk of tourism? If they had more employment locally from the tourist trade and gained more tax i think any government would be happy. There's plenty of Phills who would be happy to work in the tourism trade as many in other asian countries have found and the UK will find as the pound weakens

    I think if you asked the phill government if they would love rich no trouble family tourists coming to Phill as many Korean and Japanese do. Ask most young people what are they studying and HRM will be the response if its not nursing. Quite a few of the ones i know have either studied and transferred or even completed a degree in what would normally be termed a more useful degree ie Business or IT already.

    Having people working abroad maybe very useful for balance of trade, supporting families and money into the local economy but as well as all the currency coming in to develop surely some of the Brains of the nation need to stay locally and possibly develop businesses in the long run remember all those tourist business need an infrastructure including Nurses,Doctors, lawyers and IT workers.

    India have found this they are now trying to encourage more of the talent to stay in the country to help actually grow the nations economy. They will still have more NRI's than there are Brits sending money home and im sure plenty of phills will still work abroad.
    Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops


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    To develop tourism you need a forward thinking government to put the infrastructure in place.Sadly, its the same old political elite or film stars that get elected to plunder the finances leaving the country to stagnate. Every one of my in laws would leave if they could for one reason only, to earn money, but they all love their country.
    They really do deserve better politicians.

    What a pity we did`nt get round to colonising the P.I. as almost every country we did has been left with the infrastructure in place to succeed.Could you imagine the P.I. with a railway system, it would be great.

    We might be going the same way now with our own corruption as it seems British politics is full of thieves and sexual deviants standards have gone down the pan


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete/London View Post
    Could you imagine the P.I. with a railway system, it would be great.
    I'm just trying to imagine how you are going to link up all the islands with railway bridges


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