Would you marry a bargirl ??

[Steve.r]

I blame GOD....................................... ok, I'll get me coat

[James Hubbard]

I blame GOD....................................... ok, I'll get me coat

I miss the fast show!

that line only works with a Brummie accent though

[James Hubbard]

**sorry double post**

[James Hubbard]

religious nonsense

Oh hey, wow, yeh, don't judge people, right? Unless they have a faith, then - and only then, they're fair game

That's no double-standard

[Arthur Little]

I blame GOD....................................... ok, I'll get me coat

...nooooo ... STOP! Apo hasn't smelt anything "fishy" ...YET ... best let sleeping sharks lie ... ... or should that be bask?

[Steve.r]

...nooooo ... STOP! Apo hasn't smelt anything "fishy" ...YET ... best let sleeping sharks lie ... ... or should that be bask?

Hmm.... Maybe I should give Apo a nudge

[fred]

Oh hey, wow, yeh, don't judge people, right? Unless they have a faith, then - and only then, they're fair game

That's no double-standard

Faith and religion are two different things.
We have many members of faith on this forum that continue to keep what is sacred to them a private affair..
Say no more...

[Arthur Little]

Hmm.... Maybe I should give Apo a nudge

... you know what he's LIKE when he "gets his teeth" into anything even vaguely to do with the big 'R'!

[James Hubbard]

So Aposhark is Christopher Hitchens, or Sam Harris?

[Northerner]

This thread is like a daily mail article, divisive but you still want to read it..

Being one of no faith, I can understand how apo can get wound up, but as the woman I love holds her faith dear (as do many in my family). I have long ago decided to simply respect the religious viewpoint..

And being a person of no faith is not a choice! People declare themselves atheists or secular humanist because the idea of a creator who promises paradise for devotion unlikely at best.

Sad how this thread is slowly becoming a slagging match, implied or otherwise.

[Northerner]

Duplicate

[sparky]

can you shut up or put up and say what you really think!, im getting really tired of your suggestions

theres a pimp in the forum

[QUOTE=bornatbirth;231740]can you shut up or put up and say what you really think!, im getting really tired of your suggestions.]

I thought it was obvious what I was saying. People that have lived in Asia or spent considerable time there understand the culture better- and that's not a slight on anyone who hasn't it's just a fact of life.

That clear enough for you?
And it's the 2nd time you have mentioned the word pimp. And you make it sound so bad

[aposhark]

I think love has no boundaries.

I know men who married Filipina bar girls who became great wives and good mothers.

Everyone can go down the wrong path and everyone has the right to make themselves a better person.

If someone knows they like a woman who is/was a "bar girl" she should tell the man out of respect for him.
He can then make a decision whether he wants to continue.

IMO, we should not judge people too severely, we may need the same kind of even-handedness one day

[aposhark]

Well, at the expense of sounding like a prude.

I am a Christian, therefore I wouldn't go into one of these places. One of these bars where the bar-girls work.

I would certainly not marry one.

I am married to a lovely Christian girl. I know how innocent she was ....

I personally have been quite innocent too. Shy and sensitive, a Christian with no real past experience.

But it was also through choice - not just because I am shy.

But, living in Birmingham, and later in the Philippines, I know a thing or two about what goes on. When i was living in the Philippines, I had some American friends who were intimately acquainted with this bar-scene and the girls who go along with it.

Let me make it clear, I wouldn't marry a prostitute, because she is a prostitute. Spiritually speaking, her job choices will have effectively seared her conscience. It doesn't require me to have had first hand experience to know that.

So that's the depth of my logic.

It's the dream come true - for me and my wife, to be honest!

I thought Christians were supposed to "love thy neighbour" and show compassion to all.
Another shattered perception

[aposhark]

That's right coz when the bible says that adulerers and fornicators will not inherit the kindgdom of heaven, they think they'll be fine 10 married men every night because they said a few hail marys! Penitence is one hell of a drug!

War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

[Steve.r]

I think love has no boundaries.

I know men who married Filipina bar girls who became great wives and good mothers.

Everyone can go down the wrong path and everyone has the right to make themselves a better person.

If someone knows they like a woman who is/was a "bar girl" she should tell the man out of respect for him.
He can then make a decision whether he wants to continue.

IMO, we should not judge people too severely, we may need the same kind of even-handedness one day

Totally agree

[James Hubbard]

I thought Christians were supposed to "love thy neighbour" and show compassion to all.
Another shattered perception

Your objection here is based upon a faulty understanding of Christian Theology!

We can all speculate on complex matters of which we are ignorant of nuances and shades of meaning!

Holiness + Love do go together, not in some soppy way, but in a very compatible way.

War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

False Dichotomy. The absense of peace is not always war, and the absense of war is not always peace. Sometimes one needs to be engaged in for the other to be achieved. Simples!

Sparky Said:

the word pimp . . . you make it sound so bad

It is for those with a moral Compass

People that have lived in Asia or spent considerable time there understand the culture better

Yes we do! I am one of them I still despise pimpery and whoredom

steve.r

Totally agree

Well of course you would!

Fred: faith and religion are two different things

True, Correct, Tinuod, Sakto! Couldn't agree more on this portion of your comment.

We have many members of faith on this forum that continue to keep what is sacred to them a private affair

And for the most part I am one of them, but for a Christian, their beliefs are pivotal to their answer to the question "would you marry a bar girl". The answer for a faith informed spiritual person will of course be informed by their faith.

[purple]

It's interesting seeing the reaction, mainly from guys. Some would, some wouldn't, some have. One of the issues here is that as guys we rarely judge other guys who sleep around and get through hundreds of women, some people may even be a little envious of guys who always attract beautiful women.
However, the view is completely the opposite if a women goes through hundreds of guys, we think she must be bad, she can't be trusted, she is ridden with the pox, she is emotionally damaged...etc. Some of these things may be true for some bar girls, but surely not for all.
I would not want a relationship with a bar girl who continued to work in that profession as I would become too jealous and would never really know if I could trust her.
However, if I found a girlfriend had done it in the past and it was only because she did it to survive, she had definitely retired and I felt I could trust her not to return, and of course we genuinely loved each other, I would consider a relationship.
We've all got skeletons in our closets and everyone deserves a second chance.

well said Englishman, as humans we all deserve not just second chance, but chances.

[fred]

That's right coz when the bible says that adulerers and fornicators will not inherit the kindgdom of heaven, they think they'll be fine 10 married men every night because they said a few hail marys! Penitence is one hell of a drug!

"would you marry a bar girl". The answer for a faith informed spiritual person will of course be informed by their faith.

And yet the most faithful woman in the new testament was a filthy whore!!!
Judge not!!!
Bahala ka!!

[sparky]

Bar girls are human also- would some of you deny them happiness and a chance for a better life because of their past - now that doesn't sound very Christian does it

[James Hubbard]

And yet the most faithful woman in the new testament was a filthy whore!!!
Judge not!!!
Bahala ka!!

Yes, remember -

Jesus: Go and sin no more

Forgiveness from sin. Not the freedom TO sin

Once again, if you understand theology, it would cut out a lot of these objections.

[James Hubbard]

Bar girls are human also- would some of you deny them happiness and a chance for a better life because of their past - now that doesn't sound very Christian does it

What sounds very christian to you? And based upon which system do u arbitrarily judge it?

[sparky]

What sounds very christian to you? And based upon which system do u arbitrarily judge it?

I thought the bible was about forgiveness et al

Surely if someone can't see past someones past then isn't that not very Christian like?

Tho who are we to judge a girl about what she chooses to do with her own body of her own volition

[fred]

what sounds very christian to you?

Luke 6:37

Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you.

Bahala ka!

Once again, if you understand theology

Perhaps you do not understand plain English James!

[James Hubbard]

grrrrrrrr

i had written a several point answer to your comments sparky

sadly .... i hit the wrong button instead of send! GRR

not in the mood to retype all that


and before anyone says it, let me do it for you

It's a sign! Maybe God doesn't want you to write anymore here

ya ya ya ... i know u was thinkin it!

[Dedworth]

I suspect the OP didn't expect such a lengthy debate when he started this thread

[James Hubbard]

Luke 6:37

Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you.

Bahala ka!



Perhaps you do not understand plain English James!

It's interesting that you only quote a verse in isolation. In this regard you have something in common with the Bible Fundamentalists!!!!

The same comments are in Matt 7.

What Jesus goes on to say is

"First take the plank out of your own eye, then you'll see clearly to remove the speck in your brothers eye"

in other words ... if you are guilty of that self-same sin, then it's hypocritical to judge others ....

but ... if you read it in it's context, it's a mandate "TO judge".

By removing bits, a text could be made to say ANYTHING!

So yes, when I decided on sexual purity before marriage, I cast out the plank in my eye.

Understanding "plain english" has nothing to do with it, understanding nuances and shades of meaning is a lot more of an undertaking and requires some intellectual integrity, and intellectual depth.

[James Hubbard]

I suspect the OP didn't expect such a lengthy debate when he started this thread

I'm sure he's delighted that his post took off so well though

[fred]

It's a sign! Maybe God doesn't want you to write anymore here

If only you could learn to interpret the signs better James,it might go better for us all!!

[sparky]

I'm sure he's delighted that his post took off so well though

I am sure he knew exactly what he was doing when he posted it