Thank you dontpushme, Steve and Joe. You did reply the first time Joe Perhaps you forgot, it was nearly 4 weeks ago. she goes for her first scan next week A day before we go back to Manila So hopefully we will have some scan pics for the family there. Where my siblings and my kids I say kids they are 26 and 29 have cut themselves off from me. i really cant believe the family I come from. you would think Jane now carrying our baby it would soften there resolve, no chance ! still end of the day its there lose. You can pick your friends not your family. they know where we live We told they are all welcome but, to no avail so sod them all Jane says they will come round in time My question is how much time ! end of the day Jane my wife is number 1 if the others cant accept then its there lose. enough of my belly aching