cheers for the advice, plus i hope they take into acount the money i send to support them while they are there, they will see the reciepts with the aplication,i just need to really make sure i get it right first time cos its so expensive for 1 visa nevermind getting 2, i should have registered my son at the embassy there but never got around to it cos of being ill there the last 2 times ive visited and not wanting to travel to manilla when the kid was very young, cheers for the help joe