cheers graham.....ive got my lads birthcertificate for the local municipality and got the nso one also ,he has my family name,i thought it was my birth certificate and passport was needed also,i wanted to register him at the consulate in cebu,i went there before to sort my cni out, i idnt want to go to manila with a young baby,ive never been there and never want too,id prefere to have done it in cebu,ive got proof i was there when my wife was pregnant and at the time of birth,got pictures of him an hour after his birth,we wasnt married until he was 9month old. im not sure if that will be a problem also. ill check again with the website to see if i have all the requirments...cheers for the advice