This is what you really look like! :-)

[fred]

So what you are trying to say Nige is that you think you are a jelly fish?

[Doc Alan]

This thread is a lotta fun actually

Great fun
But just for a reality check maybe Nigel should watch a few Youtube clips of Typhoon Ondoy ...or, better still, volunteer to work in his local hospice...

[Steve.r]

Nigel, although I understand you have a wide perspective on life, I feel that the men in white coats are moving in fast. You are amoungst friends here, who accept and enjoy your craziness , BUT.... you are rigggghhhhttttt out there.

I see it like this: there are many speculations on life and many crazy ideas. Some people even write about it, we can call this science fiction if you like. All unsubstantiated theories, ideas of what might happen in the future or what happened in the past or where we came from or where we are going. But you believe all this, like watching Dr Who or a sci-fi movie, you really think it is real. In reality, Dr Who is just a childrens fantasy drama, so I think you are caught up in a fantasy.
It is nice to think outside the box sometimes, but even if you truely believe you have the will to change anything with 'will power' is just an illusion you are using to fill a void somewhere.
Nothing you have said will stop me feeling hungry, nothing you have said will stop my fingers burning if I put my hands in a fire. Life is not an illusion, it is a one off journey into the future. We feel every knock as we push through life. Thinking it is anything other than real, unless you can prove me wrong, is just your fantasy.
btw, I enjoy your posts, it makes me think I am not so after all

[nigel]

Me too ...but not science fiction

Your a great guy Alan! You remind me of my friend he's not a Doctor but he's knowlegdeable about good exercise and healthy eating and so on..

I'm just saddened that you don't believe! I have to tread carefully when I tell people these things cause sometimes they might think I'm trying to undermine their own professionalism. They sometimes react by saying "Oh yeah and I'm the pope mate!"

I'm not trying to make anyone look stupid, I'm not trying to fool anyone! I'm just begging people to 'open their mind' to the idea at least, that we are spiritual beings, co creating a human holographic reality with our minds!

I beg you all to read my new thread titled "You can relate to this! Don't pretend you can't!"

Love&Light!

[nigel]

...is just an illusion you are using to fill a void somewhere.

I like the point you've made there, maybe I am trying to fill a void with these things I'm interested in, maybe I've got an underlying fear of death or the future or something.

It's made me wonder what my fears might be..

I'm convinced we are co creators of thought though...

Love&Light!

[Steve.r]

I like the point you've made there, maybe I am trying to fill a void with these things I'm interested in, maybe I've got an underlying fear of death or the future or something.

It's made me wonder what my fears might be..

I'm convinced we are co creators of thought though...

Love&Light!

I am happy to think you picked out the point I was making Nigel, maybe exploring that angle will give you a truer enlightenment.

[malditako]

I think u need a check-up nigel

[nigel]

somebody has been watching the matrix too many times

I've never watched that movie in full... it's said to be theoretically correct though!

[Arthur Little]

... the *matrix

Watched part of that *senseless film ... and fell asleep less than halfway through it!

[nigel]

Watched part of that *senseless film ... and fell asleep less than halfway through it!

I too found that movie rather boring, it's like, oh, here they are again, saving us from peril.... whilst wearing sexy leather trousers and some cool looking sunglasses of course!

[Arthur Little]

... it's said to be theoretically correct though!

... theoretically perhaps ... but hardly in tune with reality!

[nigel]

... theoretically perhaps ... but hardly in tune with reality!

Hahaaaaa but what I'm wanting us all to understand here is that there is no reality! No external physical environment, even our own bodies are a holograph! We are just conciousness! We have nothing to worry about!

[Arthur Little]

So what you are trying to say Nige is that you think you are a jelly fish?

... could you be thinking of 'The Quatermass Experiment'?

[keithAngel]

yeah how about Jim Ottley's argument with Father Diamond and the Catholic Church 1973, I was arguing this stuff when I was a child

I have my doubts about the specific references (re books) and their integrity but in principal they have some validity.

A couple of reviews out of 250 odd on amazon No science fiction here

The Holographic Universe (Paperback) I've read The Holographic Universe often, and have gained new insights into the nature of consciousness and reality from its riches every time. I consider it to be author Michael Talbot's most important work, as well as one of the best books ever written on the subject of so-called paranormal phenomenon. Talbot's fascination for finding scientific explanations for psychic and paranormal activity began when he noticed objects moving inexplicably around him, regardless where he lived. He would sometimes awaken to find socks draped on his houseplants, and occasionally found objects in his apartment that he knew for a fact had been hundreds of miles away. His real-life experiences with such shifts in reality combined with his training in physics led him to explore possible reasons for these and other mysterious happenings.
Talbot begins his book with an excellent introduction to physicist David Bohm's concept of the holographic model of the universe, and combines the physics model with Karl Pribram's work on the holographic model of the brain. The result is a marvelous description of a non-local, interconnected and alive universe that moves in response to our every thought and feeling.
I am very impressed with the clarity with which Talbot presents the concept of a holographic universe and how various paranormal phenomenon can be explained within that model. Talbot's discussion is comprehensive, fascinating, clear, and packed with relevant and intriguing stories of paranormal phenomenon. Out of body experiences (OBEs), near death experiences (NDEs), auric readings, psychokinesis, acupuncture, X-ray vision, healing, and psychic readings are all described and considered for placement into the holographic model.
Talbot presents a wealth of relevant research studies and scientific theories from David Bohm, Helmut Schmidt, Marilyn Schlitz, Robert Monroe, Charles Tart, Larry Dossey, Paul Davies, PMH Atwater, Ian Stevenson, Fred Alan Wolf, Harold Puthoff, Russell Targ, Lyall Watson, Stanislav Grof, and many others.



The Holographic Universe (Paperback) This is one of the most provocative books I have read in years. In the first few chapters Mr. Talbot describes the emerging holographic paradigm in science, drawing on David Bohm's work in quantum physics and Karl Pribam's work in neuroscience. I found both descriptions to be fascinating, and especially enjoyed the historical context for the work of these two seminal thinkers. As a person with a master's degree in neuroscience and chaos/complexity theory, I found a couple of his simplifications misleading, but would give him high marks for his overall comprehension of the conclusions of Pribam and his followers.The remaining 2/3 of the book is a discussion of how the holographic paradigm may provide a rational basis for interpreting a wide variety of phenomenon located around the fringes of established science. He looks at everything from strange historical "miracles" like stigmata and appearances of the Virgin Mary to modern psychic abilities and LSD experiences, from out-of-body and near-death-experiences to UFO abductions. In addition, he compares language used in the modern scientific discussion of holography with the language used by ancient mystical traditions.
Mr. Talbot's writing style is unusually clear and lucid. All of this makes for a highly engaging book. It kept me up late every night for more than a week. I am a person who has had an OBE/NDE (out-of-body, near-death-experience), and can tell you that his description of such events is an astoundingly accurate portrayal of what I experienced.
I am also a scientist, and know that most of my highly rational, empirical colleages would have trouble accepting a majority of Mr. Talbot's conclusions. This work addresses something so completely out of the realm of everyday experience for most people, and probes a world that is normally invisible to the five senses. Hence, objective, empirical science -- as defined by a conventional theorist or practicing technician -- simply cannot address these experiences. They are outside the range of focus of the tool that Western minds currently rely on.
The service that Mr. Talbot provides is a challenge to rethink the conventional definition of science so that it can take into account a much wider range of human experience. What he argues for is the acceptance, as valid scientific data, of the experiences of individual humans, across cultures and throughout history, that are remarkably consistent with one another. These experiences address aspects of reality that are invisible to the skeptical eye, but become obvious to the person who chooses to develop other forms of perception.
As a person who was unwittingly thrown into an OBE/NDE experience, I am naturally inclined to read a book like this one with an open mind, and felt immensely rewarded for doing so. However, if I had reviewed the same book before having my own personal experience of some of the phenomena it describes, I would have reviewed it as a new-age excursion into a realm of fantasy. I am completely sympathetic to some of the reviewers who see it that way, and respectfully disagree.
I believe there is an extraordinary synthesis happening among the realms of human experience, one that can validate each individual's story, however unusual, and also one that honors all the different ways of knowing. I see Mr. Talbot's work as one of the more important bridges yet constructed between traditional science and spirituality, between rational discourse about repeatable, empirically verifiable phenomenon and the quirky, esoteric or mythological elements of personal experience that actually define most people's experience of reality. This book is a "must read" for any passionate seeker of truth.

[JimOttley]

Nigel, although I understand you have a wide perspective on life, I feel that the men in white coats are moving in fast. You are amoungst friends here, who accept and enjoy your craziness , BUT.... you are rigggghhhhttttt out there.

Steve, I spent more than 10 or 20 years firmly convinced of a solipsistic view of reality from the age of 12 or so, that was 38 years ago, everything that Nigel is saying is a valid and possible interpretation of reality and this holographic stuff is actually some solid science speculation however I think he's got a little mixed up on the holographic universe thing.

The reaction on here is exactly what I experienced as a child when I tried to explain these ideas to people, that is what led me to realise that proselytizing about it was a bad idea

Once I stopped bothering to try to preach to everyone about it, I actually settled down and got on with my life and started to enjoy life a bit more.

It is a fascinating subject and has allowed me an internal personal view of reality that is comforting in many ways (a bit like faith) but it's not a good subject for public debate as the idea's tend to frighten people.

[Terpe]

..... and this holographic stuff is actually some solid science speculation however I think he's got a little mixed up on the holographic universe thing.

[Juana]

Do psychics come in white coats these days??

Wait till they disprove this theory and inflict people's minds with another useless and wasteful ideas. There is so much that people know these days. The internet is the world's biggest library which is becoming more accessible to a lot of people. Information overloading is the disease of the 21st century.

I, for one, am looking for answers to questions I have in my mind. Since I came here to England my dad always asks me if I still go to church. He says people in the west forgot about god and I say they didn't, they just got better in lying. I am now a self-acknowledged agnostic and I always knew it since I was a child.

Life, to me, in its basic term is breathing. Anything between conception and the cessation of life may just be an illusion but I don't want to postpone living by seeking the life of the unknown. I am here on earth and I am breathing, what do I do now? We live as what we make up our minds to be.

Do yourself a favour, follow doc alan's advice..go get a hobby or something.

If you continue believing or following this theory of people in white coats, you too will be wearing it, the only difference is that yours will be a straight one which make you wrap your arms around your body.

[Wombat2k]

Nigel - I think you or someone who wrote a book you read may have misunderstood Bohm`s work. When he said particles are thought-like he meant they are ephemeral and created by a deeper underlying structure. When he said the universe was like a hologram he meant that information about all the particles in the universe is to some degree contained in a single particle. Not that the universe IS a hologram. ( If you cut a hologram into 8 pieces you get 8 fuzzy but complete holograms )
He states several times in The Undivided universe that no conciousness is required to observe anything. The mind has no effect on Quantum mechanics. The brain is simply too warm , wet and messy for there to be any QM effects apart for trivial interactions between particles.

( Full disclosure I`m a timeless many worlds kind of bloke myself. So while I respect Bohm`s genius I believe he is not even wrong. )

[Terpe]

Isn't interesting how many members have joined this thread.

[nigel]

Thanks for all your replies in this thread..I have read them all, you've not shaken my belief that there is no such thing as a physical external world, I firmly believe that we are NOT our bodies, we are conciousness, there is nothing physical about us, and nothing physical about what we are percieving.

You guys have made me wonder how realiable information on the internet might be though...and that I might have some fears that I haven't addressed!

For those of you that are open minded to the possibilty..here's one more vid...just 3mins and 20secs..

[Englishman2010]

Far too deep for me. I'll stick to what I know, you are born, you live and you die eventually, and during that bit in the middle I'll live my life to the full enjoying as much of it as I can.
BTW, I've just banged my ankle on my kitchen table, it felt very solid to me and my ankle now has a bruise to prove it, I'm trying to perceive that it's just a mirage, but it still feels pretty real to me

[purple]

Hi Nigel,

I like Laws of Attraction. It does work for me and did not realize that's how its called when I attended a personal awareness workshop that includes Laws of Attraction.

When I was 15 I have visualized myself that I will be inactive in church and will set out from the traditional mindset of culture and will embrace the diversities and it happened.
My ob-gyne said that I will have hard time conceiving because my uterus is introverted and I have two children now. I was even right that I would get pregnant at 26 and get married at 28 to a complete stranger whom I don't want to dig out the past because it is immaterial.
That is for personal though..
For the marketing side (that was the whole purpose of me attending that workshop) it works. Whenever I see a potential client or costumer, I would think from the start that she would get into business.
It has been studied in psychology that there are subconscious mind (developed when we were procreated, example: if you throw a baby in the air she/he likes it and does not have fears because the baby doesn't know fears yet, conscious mind (programmed by culture, tradition, environmental factors) and third Great conscious - a force that we have no control over with which can be a co-conscious inflecting the situation we have in our mind.

nice Nigel. I wonder if you are into looking of inner world as some people exploring into that to find answers to the "physical" world we all are programmed to.

[nigel]

It has been studied in psychology that there are subconscious mind (developed when we were procreated, example: if you throw a baby in the air she/he likes it and does not have fears because the baby doesn't know fears yet, conscious mind (programmed by culture, tradition, environmental factors) and third Great conscious - a force that we have no control over with which can be a co-conscious inflecting the situation we have in our mind.

nice Nigel. I wonder if you are into looking of inner world as some people exploring into that to find answers to the "physical" world we all are programmed to.

I think what I'm enjoying most about this stuff is that it seems that we are infinate spiritual beings rather than a flesh and bone creature that lives and dies...I love the fact your into Law Of Attraction by the way!

Do you listen to solfeggio frequencies purple? Binaural beats etc? I listen all the time and they make me feel amazing!

[fred]

Oh no!!!
Nigel's found a friend!!

[aposhark]

Nigel is NOT a fruitcake, come on be nice - look at the photograph.
We are all red and blue jellyfish or a new species of cuttlefish that glows like neons.

It is that string theory surfacing again.
Don't you just love it when parallel galaxies touch and knock us about a bit

[aposhark]

......if you throw a baby in the air she/he likes it and does not have fears because the baby doesn't know fears yet.....

When I lift my little baby daughter up high she looks really shocked
I couldn't imagine throwing her anywhere

[aposhark]

I must admit that I am as mad as Nigel.

I am married to a Filipina like him, and cannot for one moment understand why I didn't research all about tampo before marriage

[Terpe]

I must admit that I am as mad as Nigel.

I am married to a Filipina like him, and cannot for one moment understand why I didn't research all about tampo before marriage

[keithAngel]

I must admit that I am as mad as Nigel.

I am married to a Filipina like him, and cannot for one moment understand why I didn't research all about tampo before marriage

Just treat it as an opportunity Apo

[purple]

Do you listen to solfeggio frequencies purple? Binaural beats etc? I listen all the time and they make me feel amazing!

I like Binaural beats, the ancient chinese were into this and some solfeggio when I do my yoga, tai chi and do meditations at my own time.