This is what you really look like! :-)

[nigel]

What You Really Look like.jpgA dualtorus!

And I really look like that too! Everybody does!

There's no such thing as the physical, no distance we travel through, we merely percieve that we do!

We are spiritual beings having a human experience!

[Sim11UK]

Does Vimvie look like that too?...She must think you're nuts, like the rest of us.

[JimOttley]

Does Vimvie look like that too?...She must think you're nuts, like the rest of us.

He's not nut's Sim, he's close but not actually lost it yet

His posts are valid speculations however an individual can get too caught up in it sometimes.

[nigel]

Yes she does, we all do!

We are the universe, we are conciousness, we are not flesh and bone, this life experience is a holograph, including our bodies! Our five senses fool us into believing there is an external physical world that we can touch smell taste etc...but our surroundings truly look like the picture! We don't travel any distance we merely percieve that we do!

[Steve.r]

So what am I looking at it with then? a holographic eye?

[nigel]

Our minds decode or convert it into what we percieve it to be! It's like we are in a highly highly resolute all singing all dancing computer game! Which is being broadcast to us by our creator, or perhaps our creator is intertwined with it, or with us!? The idea that we are a kind of flesh and bone animal is ancient and obsolete, and proven to be wrong!

Really! Really! Really!

I'm not trying to be clever I believe these here words are correct! It makes me feel so excited!

[Steve.r]

Makes me think you are a fruit cake

[JimOttley]

Makes me think you are a fruit cake

Oh dear, he's 38 and has just discovered Philosophy

He's actually right Steve, however being right only matters to you when you first think about this stuff or first discover it, as you get older you realise that is it irrelevant to living a real life

I started thinking about this stuff seriously 36 years ago, part of the reason I followed a career in Science, none of it is new and none of it is particularly revolutionary.

Nigel don't get trapped in the internal world it's not worth it, it is a fascinating bit of speculation to think about the world this way but ultimately it is fruitless.

[nigel]

as you get older you realise that it is irrelevant to living a real life

it is a fascinating bit of speculation to think about the world this way but ultimately it is fruitless.

As I've got older I've come to understand that a "real life" doesn't exist! It's a spectacular mirage! A holograph! We are spirits having a holographical human experience! It's not fruitless, it's something that has made me feel incredibly excited and happy.

[laurel]

Keep takin the pills nige!!!...............or are you on injections now

[nigel]

Oh come on guys!!! I can't believe that people don't know these things, I just have to share it with you whether you think I'm nuts or not!?

Boys and girls don't you think that what we know these days is just amazing??

That photograph is what we truly look like, or what surrounds us truly looks like. Our minds decode it into the reality that we are familiar with, but there is no physical external world, no sun stars or moon, we never travel any distance, what we percieve with our five senses (including our own bodies) is an illusion, and we are merely percieving it with our decoding minds. This is something which is practically proven by science! And there you were worried about flying, worried about the environment! And thinking you might die one day...we are conciousness! All of us!

I mean come on guys don't you get excited and mindblown by science?

I know I do!

[Steve.r]

This is something which is practically proven by science! I mean come on guys don't you get excited and mindblown by science?

I know I do!

You said it Nigel, (my conciousness highlighted it in red for you)

So where exactly are we on the grand scale of things then? Are we just floating in a big pot of goo?

[nigel]

So where exactly are we on the grand scale of things then? Are we just floating in a big pot of goo?

I'm not sure..where we are as such... but sientist's have proved there are no solids, no gases, no liquids, we are not truly traveling any distance, this so called life experience is a spectacular hugely diverse highly resolute holograph including our own bodies.

Questions/speculation:

1. If there is no physical external world, and what we are experiencing with our senses is a holograph...who's putting the holograph there? And why?

Our creator (god?) is either broadcasting it to us, or is actually intertwined with us?! I suspect he or she is intertwined with us myself. Why is this happening? Why are we experiencing this so called life? I suspect our creator is seeking answers from us!

2. If it's all a holograph including our own bodies, then "where" is the you that is you? And "where" is the me that is me?

I firmly believe that we are conciousness, the body and living and dying is all an illusion!

3. So where is the you that is you, and the me that is me?

I've no idea, but I'm absolutely convinced that we are not our bodies.

[Doc Alan]

I mean come on guys don't you get excited and mindblown by science?

I know I do!

Me too ...but not science fiction

[Steve.r]

science FACT is fine.

[JimOttley]

science FACT is fine.

Science fiction is fine as well but Science Fantasy is less so, although it does make for some fun movies occasionally.

Some Science fiction authors prefer the term Speculative Fiction to Science Fiction.

The best Sci Fi of the Speculative Fiction variety was written by the old masters like Asimov, Heinlein, Niven and Pournelle and so on, a lot of it now falls into the Science Fantasy category sadly and I don't read so much these days.

[nigel]

Me too ...but not science fiction

Your a great guy Alan! You remind me of my friend he's not a Doctor but he's knowlegdeable about good exercise and healthy eating and so on..

I'm just saddened that you don't believe! I have to tread carefully when I tell people these things cause sometimes they might think I'm trying to undermine their own professionalism. They sometimes react by saying "Oh yeah and I'm the pope mate!"

I'm not trying to make anyone look stupid, I'm not trying to fool anyone! I'm just begging people to 'open their mind' to the idea at least, that we are spiritual beings, co creating a human holographic reality with our minds!

I beg you all to read my new thread titled "You can relate to this! Don't pretend you can't!"

Love&Light!

[subseastu]

Think this is the result of eating a bad egg or something

[KeithD]

All makes perfect sense to me.... but then I've never been 'normal' either

[keithAngel]

Nigel is of course right uncomfortable as this may be ....................


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...inning--00xx3:

[JimOttley]

Nigel is of course right uncomfortable as this may be ....................


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...inning--00xx3:

yeah how about Jim Ottley's argument with Father Diamond and the Catholic Church 1973, I was arguing this stuff when I was a child

I have my doubts about the specific references (re books) and their integrity but in principal they have some validity.

[keithAngel]

yeah how about Jim Ottley's argument with Father Diamond and the Catholic Church 1973, I was arguing this stuff when I was a child

I have my doubts about the specific references (re books) and their integrity but in principal they have some validity.

A couple of reviews out of 250 odd on amazon No science fiction here

The Holographic Universe (Paperback) I've read The Holographic Universe often, and have gained new insights into the nature of consciousness and reality from its riches every time. I consider it to be author Michael Talbot's most important work, as well as one of the best books ever written on the subject of so-called paranormal phenomenon. Talbot's fascination for finding scientific explanations for psychic and paranormal activity began when he noticed objects moving inexplicably around him, regardless where he lived. He would sometimes awaken to find socks draped on his houseplants, and occasionally found objects in his apartment that he knew for a fact had been hundreds of miles away. His real-life experiences with such shifts in reality combined with his training in physics led him to explore possible reasons for these and other mysterious happenings.
Talbot begins his book with an excellent introduction to physicist David Bohm's concept of the holographic model of the universe, and combines the physics model with Karl Pribram's work on the holographic model of the brain. The result is a marvelous description of a non-local, interconnected and alive universe that moves in response to our every thought and feeling.
I am very impressed with the clarity with which Talbot presents the concept of a holographic universe and how various paranormal phenomenon can be explained within that model. Talbot's discussion is comprehensive, fascinating, clear, and packed with relevant and intriguing stories of paranormal phenomenon. Out of body experiences (OBEs), near death experiences (NDEs), auric readings, psychokinesis, acupuncture, X-ray vision, healing, and psychic readings are all described and considered for placement into the holographic model.
Talbot presents a wealth of relevant research studies and scientific theories from David Bohm, Helmut Schmidt, Marilyn Schlitz, Robert Monroe, Charles Tart, Larry Dossey, Paul Davies, PMH Atwater, Ian Stevenson, Fred Alan Wolf, Harold Puthoff, Russell Targ, Lyall Watson, Stanislav Grof, and many others.



The Holographic Universe (Paperback) This is one of the most provocative books I have read in years. In the first few chapters Mr. Talbot describes the emerging holographic paradigm in science, drawing on David Bohm's work in quantum physics and Karl Pribam's work in neuroscience. I found both descriptions to be fascinating, and especially enjoyed the historical context for the work of these two seminal thinkers. As a person with a master's degree in neuroscience and chaos/complexity theory, I found a couple of his simplifications misleading, but would give him high marks for his overall comprehension of the conclusions of Pribam and his followers.The remaining 2/3 of the book is a discussion of how the holographic paradigm may provide a rational basis for interpreting a wide variety of phenomenon located around the fringes of established science. He looks at everything from strange historical "miracles" like stigmata and appearances of the Virgin Mary to modern psychic abilities and LSD experiences, from out-of-body and near-death-experiences to UFO abductions. In addition, he compares language used in the modern scientific discussion of holography with the language used by ancient mystical traditions.
Mr. Talbot's writing style is unusually clear and lucid. All of this makes for a highly engaging book. It kept me up late every night for more than a week. I am a person who has had an OBE/NDE (out-of-body, near-death-experience), and can tell you that his description of such events is an astoundingly accurate portrayal of what I experienced.
I am also a scientist, and know that most of my highly rational, empirical colleages would have trouble accepting a majority of Mr. Talbot's conclusions. This work addresses something so completely out of the realm of everyday experience for most people, and probes a world that is normally invisible to the five senses. Hence, objective, empirical science -- as defined by a conventional theorist or practicing technician -- simply cannot address these experiences. They are outside the range of focus of the tool that Western minds currently rely on.
The service that Mr. Talbot provides is a challenge to rethink the conventional definition of science so that it can take into account a much wider range of human experience. What he argues for is the acceptance, as valid scientific data, of the experiences of individual humans, across cultures and throughout history, that are remarkably consistent with one another. These experiences address aspects of reality that are invisible to the skeptical eye, but become obvious to the person who chooses to develop other forms of perception.
As a person who was unwittingly thrown into an OBE/NDE experience, I am naturally inclined to read a book like this one with an open mind, and felt immensely rewarded for doing so. However, if I had reviewed the same book before having my own personal experience of some of the phenomena it describes, I would have reviewed it as a new-age excursion into a realm of fantasy. I am completely sympathetic to some of the reviewers who see it that way, and respectfully disagree.
I believe there is an extraordinary synthesis happening among the realms of human experience, one that can validate each individual's story, however unusual, and also one that honors all the different ways of knowing. I see Mr. Talbot's work as one of the more important bridges yet constructed between traditional science and spirituality, between rational discourse about repeatable, empirically verifiable phenomenon and the quirky, esoteric or mythological elements of personal experience that actually define most people's experience of reality. This book is a "must read" for any passionate seeker of truth.

[nigel]

Nigel is of course right uncomfortable as this may be ....................

It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all Keith! It's convinced me that we are spirits! We are conciousness, our body is an illusion, there is no physical reality. I could almost laugh at the fear of dying now.. How can our bodies die when they don't truly exist!? We are spirits, we are conciousness, I'm convinced of it!

This vid is quite interesting..

[Sim11UK]

Oh I have great affection for Nigel Jim...He's an optimist, I enjoy his posts, even some of his jokes.

I just don't have any interest in science, just prefer to look at life as I see it, on a daily basis...Apart from pondering the universe, 'why am I here' at times.

If there is a scientific reason, why we chose partners from 7000 miles away, I'd be interested?

Keep 'em coming Nige.

[nigel]

If there is a scientific reason, why we chose partners from 7000 miles away, I'd be interested?

You must have previously spent some time thinking of your partner, and you would have had some idea of what she might be like. She too must have previously spent time thinking you, and what you might be like. And so your relationship has come into fruition, you have both attracted it! So we are co creators of thought, our thoughts are the horse, our lifestyle is the cart.
We attract what we are thinking! If your in a restaurant and you witness a waitress wobbling with a dinner tray, you think to yourself "she's going to drop that!" and crash! She does! The truth is you dropped the tray as much as she did, we are co creators of thought..

If you are driving to your local shops where it can be tricky to get a parking space, you can visualise yourself just nipping into a nice little parking space in advance! When you arrive you probably will get a parking space! It doesn't work everytime, but it will work often enough for you to realise that yes, there is something in this.

I do it ALL THE TIME! I sometimes attract cashiers to give me too much change when I buy stuff in shops aswell sometimes. a bit naughty of course, but I think I do it just to remind myself that attraction is still working more than anything else!

If you go ten pin bowling and you 'visualise' yourself scoring a strike, and feeling how great that's going to feel, you'll be far more likely to get strikes than simply aiming.

The contents of your mind is what comes. Or you could say 'we get what we expect'

So if you expect life to be rubbish, it will be rubbish, if you expect it to be paradise, it will be paradise.

I believe that we are governed by the Law Of Attraction, and that it's politics and everything else that's a load of

Haha Law Of Attraction is worth learning...REALLY it is!

Love&Light!

[Terpe]

If 'this so called life experience is a spectacular hugely diverse highly resolute holograph..' and is only in my head, why can't I have the most wonderfully fantastic exciting life imaginable?

These posts are either a serious attempt to be thought-provoking and useful as a starting point for further traditional arguments in philosophy.
Or
bizarre.

[sars_notd_virus]

Noooooooooooo,i dont look like that

[Englishman2010]

So next time I fly to Manila and have numb legs and buttocks and swollen ankles after 20 hours of flying/being seated, are you saying that I should tell myself that it isn't real it's just a mirage? I feel a lot better about that now I know the truth

[Terpe]

So next time I fly to Manila and have numb legs and buttocks and swollen ankles after 20 hours of flying/being seated, are you saying that I should tell myself that it isn't real it's just a mirage? I feel a lot better about that now I know the truth

Englishman2010, you obviously didn't understand nigel.
Let me remind you:-
'There's no such thing as the physical, no distance we travel through, we merely percieve that we do!..'

Means your legs, buttocks and ankles are only percieved to be numb and swollen.
So.. yes, just change your perception. right?

No wait ... I'm getting confused now.

Sorry nigel, no offence meant.
This thread is a lotta fun actually

[Englishman2010]

Englishman2010, you obviously didn't understand nigel.
Let me remind you:-
'There's no such thing as the physical, no distance we travel through, we merely percieve that we do!..'

Means your legs, buttocks and ankles are only percieved to be numb and swollen.
So.. yes, just change your perception. right?

No wait ... I'm getting confused now.

Sorry nigel, no offence meant.
This thread is a lotta fun actually

Right, I get it now
Manila is only a 20 hour flight away because I perceive it to be. So I will tell myself that Manila is a 10 minute drive away in my car, or better still my mahal is actually here with me now and everything will happen like magic
Hmmmm, I am a very optimistic person, but I need a lot more convincing on this one.

Another question, in the West we live in relative comfort compared to Third Worlder's. If it's all an illusion, why don't they just imagine they all live in the Sultan of Brunei's palace and there will always be plenty of food for them, no nasty illnesses and no wars?

I agree, it's an interesting thread. I must go now, I have to get back to the real world that I can touch and feel so that I can earn some money to pay my mortgage and bills. I haven't managed to visualise my bank account overflowing like Bill Gates' yet.