This is what you really look like! :-)

[JimOttley]

Nigel is of course right uncomfortable as this may be ....................


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...inning--00xx3:

yeah how about Jim Ottley's argument with Father Diamond and the Catholic Church 1973, I was arguing this stuff when I was a child

I have my doubts about the specific references (re books) and their integrity but in principal they have some validity.