An insult to decency

[Dedworth]

Sorry Dedworth but I seem to have encouraged you display your prejudices.

Prejudices ! Why don't you stop beating about the bush and call me a racist ? After all that's the usual PC apologist response to any criticism by the indigenous UK population of multiculturalism, islamic extremism, immigration policy, foreign criminals and prisoners etc.

I won't lose any sleep if you are too busy but you've conveniently not answered 3 questions I posed for you earlier,

a) Post 26 How would the Guardia Civil handle such an insulting incident
b) Post 47 What should I tell my son as to why people can freely abuse and insult British traditions and soldiers
c) Post 52 - is it acceptable for me to torch a lawbreakers shop because I was enraged over his crime ?

Have a good evening

[bornatbirth]

Prejudices ! Why don't you stop beating about the bush and call me a racist ? After all that's the usual PC apologist response to any criticism by the indigenous UK population of multiculturalism, islamic extremism, immigration policy, foreign criminals and prisoners etc.

I won't lose any sleep if you are too busy but you've conveniently not answered 3 questions I posed for you earlier,

a) Post 26 How would the Guardia Civil handle such an insulting incident
b) Post 47 What should I tell my son as to why people can freely abuse and insult British traditions and soldiers
c) Post 52 - is it acceptable for me to torch a lawbreakers shop because I was enraged over his crime ?

Have a good evening

what does your wife say about your ranting about foreigners in the uk

[joebloggs]

what does your wife say about your ranting about foreigners in the uk

i don't think dedworth wife goes around burning flags and poppies

i bet if you did that in the phils you would be banned for life , thats if you got out first with your life

[Dedworth]

what does your wife say about your ranting about foreigners in the uk

She and her friends are fine with it and like most Filipinos being hard working, tax paying, law abiders they are somewhat perplexed at this country's limp wristed attitude towards spongers, shirkers, shysters and criminals both native and foreign. How about your Mrs what's her opinion ?

[bornatbirth]

How about your Mrs what's her opinion ?

cant say that she is that bothered and much prefers shopping than discussing current issues

[bornatbirth]

you cant be married to a foreigner and at the same time want others out

most of them are british and entitled to their opinions, so are we going to shoot them and cause more of a uproar thus making more of them angry, i prefer much more level headed person in charge and wont be voting dedworth in a hurry

[Dedworth]

you cant be married to a foreigner and at the same time want others out

most of them are british and entitled to their opinions, so are we going to shoot them and cause more of a uproar thus making more of them angry, i prefer much more level headed person in charge and wont be voting dedworth in a hurry

It isn't as you put it I could be married to a Martian but I'm still entitled to my opinions on immigration and criminals.

I want the illegals and criminals deported and out immediately full stop, I want rigid but fair and proper controls put on all categories of immigration. As regards the "most of them are British" aspect - yes a lot of foreigners have obtained UK Passports either by marriage, settlement or asylum. With this category of "Britisher" I think there needs to be legislation passed where in the event of conviction of certain categories of crime or continuing ongoing criminality the authorities have the power to strip them of citizenship and deport them. That's my manifesto

[keithAngel]

Not to mention the kids as yet unborn that will be maimed by the "spent uranium" the armed services are also suffering from this and the denial and avoidance of such crimes by western leaders and the high command is appaling. this is genocide
and outlawed by the geneva convention we shouldnt be suprised when there is a back lash

We clearly havnt learnt the lessons of history not our servicemens fault but the Politicians and their behind the scenes masters

[aposhark]

Some people never look at the big picture by not connecting recent events with previous bigger outrages
It is racist and xenaphobic to ignore much larger horrific events.

How would we as British react if we were invaded?

[les_taxi]

Dedworth we are wasting our time on this thread,luckily most of the nation are outraged and rightly so.

Where will you be attending service?

We will have army apprentice march through the town,makes people feel proud to be British,I will take camera a post some pics maybe.

[Dedworth]

Dedworth we are wasting our time on this thread,luckily most of the nation are outraged and rightly so.

Where will you be attending service?

We will have army apprentice march through the town,makes people feel proud to be British,I will take camera a post some pics maybe.

I'll be in Windsor assuming I'm not in custody for the flag burning and hate mongering I'll be doing in the High Street later today

[grahamw48]

Les, I agree totally with you, and I refuse to be beaten down by either the group-hugging do-gooders, or the muslims.

We also have a right to defend our country, our culture and our heritage from this insidious Trojan Horse, without being silenced by our own governments !

Incidentally, my dad (after serving 30 years in the RN) taught for 15 years at the Army Apprentice College you're speaking of.

Damned proud of it he was too.

[les_taxi]

I bet he was and to see these kids develop from giggling teenagers into proud young men and women is fantastic to see.

Not work shy drug taking benefit claimants either

When it's passing out parade I'm up and down to the camp picking up the unbelievably proud parents,so excited their young son or daughter has learnt discipline,forged a career and has learnt manners and respect,that is to be applauded.

Thats what makes me proud to be British and I'm not going to give in to the Islamic extremists and sympathisers we read about and see their utter contempt for the country they live in.

You want an Islamic state well **** off out of this country and go and find your own.

[johncar54]

Lestaxi.

Why don't you actively campaign for a set of laws on patriotism, which would oblige people who want to live in UK to comply with. From what you have said that appears to be what you want. I for one would not object to that. I spent 30 years working to uphold and enforce the laws of the UK and took an oath to the Queen to do so.

I now live in Spain and I show respect for the country, which I believe one should do wherever they live.

The main problem is that many people get confused between 'what they think the law should be' with 'what the law actually is.' At present there are no laws which require citizens to be patriotic. If there were the police would enforce them.

[Tawi2]

Also tell me what would happen if I stand on a soap box in Karachi

Your speech would last approx 2 minutes if that
In retaliation we should burn or crop-spray each and every poppy-field in Afghanistan,they burn our poppies we burn theirs,tit-for-tat,massive amount of cash flows into Pakistan/Afghanistan from papiverum somniferum

[Terpe]

........ we should burn or crop-spray each and every poppy-field in Afghanistan.....

Must say, I've often wondered why that doesn't happen?

[Englishman2010]

Must say, I've often wondered why that doesn't happen?

Perhaps you may find a secret US organisation is using some of the income generated from the trade in heroin to fund a coup or a revolution somewhere - don't say it hasn't happened before

A friend of mine was recently in Kabul and he wanted to buy a vest as it was getting colder at night. Upon visting the local tailor he was told " We have 2 styles Sir, Bullet proof and Suicide"

[grahamw48]

Well again, that is down to the do-gooders, and their hair-brained idea of giving the Afghanis an alternative crop first

One of these days these fools will wake up and comprehend the reality of human nature, and accept the fact that 'civilisation' is but a thin veneer.

Survival of the fittest will always rule the day, and in our world that means who has the most money....or who is paying the most.

[johncar54]

Survival of the fittest will always rule the day, and in our world that means who has the most money....or who is paying the most.

Graham in many circumstances I would agree but certainly Russia had tremendously more might and finance than Afghanistan, they lost; France followed by USA equally were in all ways mightier than Vietnam, they both lost. There are many other examples too.

[grahamw48]

Survival of the fittest will always rule the day, and in our world that means who has the most money....or who is paying the most.

Graham in many circumstances I would agree but certainly Russia had tremendously more might and finance than Afghanistan, they lost; France followed by USA equally were in all ways mightier than Vietnam, they both lost. There are many other examples too.

The Americans and Russians simply didn't bring their full power to bear.

They chose not to use nuclear weapons.

I have always been of the opinion that Afghanistan is a lost cause though (as Russia found when pursuing a 'conventional' war), partly due to the geography, and not least due to the limitations that we have imposed upon our own fighting forces.

Chemical weapons would also wipe out all human life anywhere we chose to use them.

As with everything in this world, it's never that simple.

...Depends how far we are pushed.

[johncar54]

Grahan with views like that remind me never to fall out with you !!!!!!!!!

Nuking the world seems self destructive.

[Arthur Little]

Incidents of this nature go "way beyond the pale" ... and [literally] make me see RED! And wholeheartedly with Dedworth, lestaxi and others. God alone knows - with the possible exception of Allah ... and any of the so-called deities - how these *barbarians manage to infiltrate our (for the most part) civilised shores, when decent, law-abiding citizens of many other non-European nations - notably (for us) the Philippines - find it increasingly difficult to come here to the UK for even a visit ... let alone settle with their British partners.

Sadly, *they're here to stay, it seems ... thanks to the namby-pamby lack of backbone and foresight on the part of successive British **governments pandering to the whimsical dictates of "human rights" that invariably apply to all but the people who elected them - and whom **they purport to represent.

In my view, those who choose to make their homes in this country have an obligation to adapt to the lifestyle here and, moreover, comply with our laws - not the other way round! It's high time our peelie-wally politicians stood up to their responsibilities and declared - "enough is ENOUGH!"

[Englishman2010]

Incidents of this nature go "way beyond the pale" ... and [literally] make me see RED! And wholeheartedly with Dedworth, lestaxi and others. God alone knows - with the possible exception of Allah ... and any of the so-called deities - how these *barbarians manage to infiltrate our (for the most part) civilised shores, when decent, law-abiding citizens of many other non-European nations - notably (for us) the Philippines - find it increasingly difficult to come here to the UK for even a visit ... let alone settle with their British partners.

Sadly, *they're here to stay, it seems ... thanks to the namby-pamby lack of backbone and foresight on the part of successive British **governments pandering to the whimsical dictates of "human rights" that invariably apply to all but the people who elected them - and whom **they purport to represent.

In my view, those who choose to make their homes in this country have an obligation to adapt to the lifestyle here and, moreover, comply with our laws - not the other way round! It's high time our peelie-wally politicians stood up to their responsibilities and declared - "enough is ENOUGH!"

Well said Arthur I completely agree with you. For the record, I am not racist and have no problem with muslims, foreigners, non Anglo Saxon, non Celts, martians or anyone else who wants to live here - as long as they accept that Britain has 2000 years of Christian/Western traditions and Christo Judaic Laws. We are not about to change this for a small minority, and if you want to live here you have to live by our laws. If that makes me a racist you'd better get me a white sheet and a burning cross

[aposhark]

Well said Arthur I completely agree with you. For the record, I am not racist and have no problem with muslims, foreigners, non Anglo Saxon, non Celts, martians or anyone else who wants to live here - as long as they accept that Britain has 2000 years of Christian/Western traditions and Christo Judaic Laws. We are not about to change this for a small minority, and if you want to live here you have to live by our laws. If that makes me a racist you'd better get me a white sheet and a burning cross

Have you been to the Midlands in the last 5 years? Leeds or Bradford?
Hardly the minority.
The extremists within this "minority" are the real minority.

[Englishman2010]

Have you been to the Midlands in the last 5 years? Leeds or Bradford?
Hardly the minority.
The extremists within this "minority" are the real minority.

I live in Leicester, I am white and I am the minority. That really isn't a problem for me, most of my friends, colleagues and clients are Asian (Indian sub-continent), I have been to India 5 times and know far more about Indian culture than most white people do. My city is a peaceful city where all races and religions get on, and I want to keep it that way. However, extremism will create a divide between the White/Hindu's on one side and the Muslims on the other. If we allow these extremists to continue to preach their hate of the west, divides and cracks will appear all over the country. No one wants that, but I'm sure they didn't want a war in Yugoslavia either

[aposhark]

I live in Leicester, I am white and I am the minority. That really isn't a problem for me, most of my friends, colleagues and clients are Asian (Indian sub-continent), I have been to India 5 times and know far more about Indian culture than most white people do. My city is a peaceful city where all races and religions get on, and I want to keep it that way. However, extremism will create a divide between the White/Hindu's on one side and the Muslims on the other. If we allow these extremists to continue to preach their hate of the west, divides and cracks will appear all over the country. No one wants that, but I'm sure they didn't want a war in Yugoslavia either

Very true, except that you don't mention the white extremists' racist ideology also.

The politicians around the world need to pull their fingers out before it gets much worse

[subseastu]

I live in Leicester, I am white and I am the minority. That really isn't a problem for me, most of my friends, colleagues and clients are Asian (Indian sub-continent), I have been to India 5 times and know far more about Indian culture than most white people do. My city is a peaceful city where all races and religions get on, and I want to keep it that way. However, extremism will create a divide between the White/Hindu's on one side and the Muslims on the other. If we allow these extremists to continue to preach their hate of the west, divides and cracks will appear all over the country. No one wants that, but I'm sure they didn't want a war in Yugoslavia either

100% agree. Leicester on the whole is a peaceful place as it derby, nottingham etc (apart from friday and saturday nights obviously!) Its the small minority that are the cause of this unrest bringing up deep seated feelings of anger within the larger communities. It does sicken me that these people regardless of where born act this way whilst here in this country. I know they are angry about the usa and uk (nato generally) have done and I'd be pissed as well. But maybe they need to either think of a better way to log their protest that won't cause so much anger and maybe promote some sympathy from the rest of the population or go back to the country of origin and help there.

[aposhark]

Incidents of this nature go "way beyond the pale" ... and [literally] make me see RED! And wholeheartedly with Dedworth, lestaxi and others. God alone knows - with the possible exception of Allah ... and any of the so-called deities - how these *barbarians manage to infiltrate our (for the most part) civilised shores, when decent, law-abiding citizens of many other non-European nations - notably (for us) the Philippines - find it increasingly difficult to come here to the UK for even a visit ... let alone settle with their British partners.

Sadly, *they're here to stay, it seems ... thanks to the namby-pamby lack of backbone and foresight on the part of successive British **governments pandering to the whimsical dictates of "human rights" that invariably apply to all but the people who elected them - and whom **they purport to represent.

In my view, those who choose to make their homes in this country have an obligation to adapt to the lifestyle here and, moreover, comply with our laws - not the other way round! It's high time our peelie-wally politicians stood up to their responsibilities and declared - "enough is ENOUGH!"

Arthur, as you will be aware the 7/7 bombers were all British and did not "infiltrate our (for the most part) civilised shores"

[joebloggs]

Arthur, as you will be aware the 7/7 bombers were all British and did not "infiltrate our (for the most part) civilised shores"

did they see themselves as British thou ?

as I've posted a few times on here, i use to work with 2 Libyan brothers who's mother was British, even thou both were born in Libya and both had British passports, but they didn't see themselves as British in anyway, they use to laugh and joke about British soldiers been killed because they killed their 'Muslim brothers'

[aposhark]

did they see themselves as British thou ?

as I've posted a few times on here, i use to work with 2 Libyan brothers who's mother was British, even thou both were born in Libya and both had British passports, but they didn't see themselves as British in anyway, they use to laugh and joke about British soldiers been killed because they killed their 'Muslim brothers'

You are correct Joe.
The muslim faith doesn't seem to exist within country boundaries as we have seen many times.
This state of affairs (hate towards the west) could be eased.
IMO, this is why the west is getting the backlash; what happens in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel or wherever will spread out to places like Britain, the USA or Spain for example.
Nothing is happening on a Global level to help Muslims, which is why British muslims are reacting violently.
All violence is reprehensible and it is getting worse.
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Think of the (from Wiki Sabra and Shatila massacre took place in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon between September 16 and September 18, 1982, during the Lebanese civil war. Palestinian and Lebanese civilians were massacred in the camps by Christian Lebanese Phalangists while the camp was surrounded by Israeli forces. In that period of time, Israel was at war with Lebanon. The Israeli Forces occupied Beirut and dominated the refugee camps of Palestinians and controlled the entrance to the city. After the assassination of Bachir Gemayel, leader and president-elect of the Lebanese Phalangist, a Maronite group, also called Lebanese Forces militia group, entered the camp and murdered inhabitants during the night. The exact number of victims is disputed, from 700–800 to 3,500 (depending on the source).
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Think of the Palestinians who have been killed by the thousands, think of the recent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

It doesn't really matter which members of this forum feel outraged, their grievances are miniscule compared to the endless horrors inflicted on the Muslims around the world.

For these soap box pretenders, read your history