An insult to decency

[Dedworth]

Poppy-burning Muslim protesters mar Armistice Day commemorations as millions fall silent to remember war dead






Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz150w5gLxo

How many were arrested under the Public Order Act for Inciting Racial Hatred ?

Answers on a postcard please to Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson

[grahamw48]

Why is our country run by such spineless cowardly ****holes ?

[bornatbirth]

ask dedworth he voted tory

[grahamw48]

Oh no, this has been going on for a long time.

[Pete/London]

Well if we just start ignoring them and not giving them publicity maybe they would crawl back under their stone.

[Notavirusalso]

Well if we just start ignoring them and not giving them publicity maybe they would crawl back under their stone.

I agree, this is the first thing I said when I saw the reports, just don't give them the coverage.
Its a bit like when the first reports of ram raids came out... then amazingly there were lots more ? ?

[Englishman2010]

I agree, this is the first thing I said when I saw the reports, just don't give them the coverage.
Its a bit like when the first reports of ram raids came out... then amazingly there were lots more ? ?

Bad news, gossip, rumour and scandals sell newspapers and keeps people tuned into the TV News

[joebloggs]

well cameron has talked of a Sovereignty law, no euro laws will over ride british laws, time to put this country first b4 the union and the court of criminal rights and prosecute these people.

[Englishman2010]

The problem with living in a 'free' country is that this scum are free to do and say what they want, so it's ironic that the same freedom to protest against extremism is not available to the 90% + indiginous majority who would like to put an end to these flag burning protests. Of course you or I could go to Jeddah, Karachi, Damascus, Beiruit or Cairo and burn the Koran or a national flag and be given the same sort of treatment by the local law enforcement officers

[johncar54]

How many were arrested under the Public Order Act for Inciting Racial Hatred ?

The British have always been sufficiently confident in themselves that they have never felt the need to make laws against people insulting them. For example there is no offence of burning the national flag (often incorrectly called the Union Jack). We are confident enough not to need such a law. Nationalities that are less confident in themselves have such laws, USA for example.

Burning poppies is not, per se, inciting racial hatred against the British. In fact it is more likely to have the reverse effect i.e. that those burning the poppies will inspire racial hatred against themselves.

I hope subscribers refrain from being side-tracked into making, what maybe, racially hateful remarks here, which may be more likely to qualify as 'inspiring racial hatred' than the actions of the poppy burning inadequates.

[Dedworth]

The British have always been sufficiently confident in themselves that they have never felt the need to make laws against people insulting them. For example there is no offence of burning the national flag (often incorrectly called the Union Jack). We are confident enough not to need such a law. Nationalities that are less confident in themselves have such laws, USA for example.

Burning poppies is not, per se, inciting racial hatred against the British. In fact it is more likely to have the reverse effect i.e. that those burning the poppies will inspire racial hatred against themselves.

I hope subscribers refrain from being side-tracked into making, what maybe, racially hateful remarks here, which may be more likely to qualify as 'inspiring racial hatred' than the actions of the poppy burning inadequates.

Times have changed for the worse and it is time to bring in legislation.The Police currently are either too lily livered or hung up on political correctness to deal with these vermin - contrast this with the other days goings on outside Tory HQ where the Met are having an immediate enquiry with no doubt suspects being identified and charged from video footage.

[johncar54]

Times have changed for the worse and it is time to bring in legislation.The Police currently are either too lily livered or hung up on political correctness to deal with these vermin - contrast this with the other days goings on outside Tory HQ where the Met are having an immediate enquiry with no doubt suspects being identified and charged from video footage.

Dedworth what law did they break by burning the poppies. Nothing springs immediately to me. If they did not then the police have nothing to do.

For those who like to think the police should 'do something' when there is an occurrence which that person does not agree with. Just recall the outcry when a 'Newspaper seller' was pushed by the police when they were policing a riotous demonstrative in London.

In the recent student demo I suspect that the need to not over spend may have influenced the police when they were deciding how many officers to have on stand-by. If there had been no disturbance, that officer might have been criticised for over-staffing, at a time when all public services are being cut back. The police are frequently in a no win situation.

As for changing the law: I personally don't think that a few stupid acts by extremists should cause us to have a knee-jerk reaction. If we did then they win !

[Manila_Paul]

As for changing the law: I personally don't think that a few stupid acts by extremists should cause us to have a knee-jerk reaction. If we did then they win !

Yes, the thing with giving the state power to censor is that they eventually end up censoring people you agree with.

For this reason I was also all for Nick Griffin going on Question Time. Could not understand the upset about that at all. This said, whilst these people have a right to freedom of speech, they also should have to accept the potential physical consquences of what they say. You can't just keep poking someone in the balls and then cry wolf when you get a reaction.

[Dedworth]

This said, whilst these people have a right to freedom of speech, they also should have to accept the potential physical consquences of what they say. You can't just keep poking someone in the balls and then cry wolf when you get a reaction.

An old college friends brother is ex 3 Para and currently in 2 REP French Foreign Legion - I hate to think what would happen if he and his pals were sufficiently enraged.

[les_taxi]

Dedworth what law did they break by burning the poppies. Nothing springs immediately to me. If they did not then the police have nothing to do.

For those who like to think the police should 'do something' when there is an occurrence which that person does not agree with. Just recall the outcry when a 'Newspaper seller' was pushed by the police when they were policing a riotous demonstrative in London.

In the recent student demo I suspect that the need to not over spend may have influenced the police when they were deciding how many officers to have on stand-by. If there had been no disturbance, that officer might have been criticised for over-staffing, at a time when all public services are being cut back. The police are frequently in a no win situation.

As for changing the law: I personally don't think that a few stupid acts by extremists should cause us to have a knee-jerk reaction. If we did then they win !

It's a bloody insult to our fallen hero's, nation and public,it's incitement at the very least.

Did you not see the signs and hear what they were saying?

Tell me John you think that's ok?

Also tell me what would happen if I stand on a soap box in Karachi and say Mohammed is a ******,I would be executed simple as that.

I am pleased to say most people in this country are appalled by what they did and rightly so

One last point where are the decent Muslims calling for these nutters to stop,I'm sure there were some standing nearby but I did not see anyone of them say we don't agree with this.

[Dedworth]

Dedworth what law did they break by burning the poppies. Nothing springs immediately to me. If they did not then the police have nothing to do.

I'd start with Treason but more likely the charges laid after the Mohammed Cartoon Danish Embassy Demo would do for me - inciting racial hatred and soliciting murder - sentences of 4 - 6 years were given.

After disrupting a troops homecoming parade 5 pieces of trash were convicted in Luton in January 2010 with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress.............. the handwringing Luton Magistrates gave them 2 year conditional discharges and awarded costs against them.

[johncar54]

I'd start with Treason but more likely the charges laid after the Mohammed Cartoon Danish Embassy Demo would do for me - inciting racial hatred and soliciting murder - sentences of 4 - 6 years were given.

After disrupting a troops homecoming parade 5 pieces of trash were convicted in Luton in January 2010 with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress.............. the handwringing Luton Magistrates gave them 2 year conditional discharges and awarded costs against them.

Can I suggest you look up treason? As I understand the facts here this not treason.

The placards in the photos, I do not believe amount to any offence, unless maybe behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace. A very minor offence, and akin to the 'sledgehammer and the nut.'

As I said I cannot think any substantive offence.

It maybe that the demonstrators took legal advice to ensure they could not be prosecuted. The childhood rhyme 'sticks and stones' comes to mind. As suggest here, as UK has free speech people demonstrating that right, should be ignored if we do not agree with what they are saying. Or we could turn UK into a country where the police decide who can do what: If that ever happened, I would be even more glad I live in Spain and have recently taken up my right to Irish Nationality.

In the other case you refer to. Those concerned did commit a criminal offence and were convicted and sentenced for it.

[stevewool]

good news is not news , but bad news is just that bad , it gets everyone upset, and angry , laugh at them and walk away, dont ever give them any media, ignor them they will get the message

[Dedworth]

Usual selective reporting by the BBC - not a mention of this disgraceful incident.

[Englishman2010]

Usual selective reporting by the BBC - not a mention of this disgraceful incident.

It's all over Facetube, the problem is the likes of the EDL and BNP use these events as a recruitment tool and try to stir up more racially motivated hatred. The more that goes on, the more the leftie do gooders jump on the bandwagon and call normal citizens racists if they speak out about extremists.
It's worth remembering that the majority of muslims in Britain do not condone this sort of behaviour by extremists, and want to live a peaceful life the same as we do. Events like this don't do the vast majority of law abiding muslims any favors and they want an end to it as well.

[Dedworth]

It's all over Facetube, the problem is the likes of the EDL and BNP use these events as a recruitment tool and try to stir up more racially motivated hatred. The more that goes on, the more the leftie do gooders jump on the bandwagon and call normal citizens racists if they speak out about extremists.
It's worth remembering that the majority of muslims in Britain do not condone this sort of behaviour by extremists, and want to live a peaceful life the same as we do. Events like this don't do the vast majority of law abiding muslims any favors and they want an end to it as well.

You are right but then spineless, politically correct apparatchiks like this moron just inflame matters even more :-

A fire chief has been slammed after he scrapped his brigade's annual religious service to mark Remembrance Day in case it offended non-Christians.

Staff at the Norfolk Fire and Rescue Service used to hear prayers said by a local chaplain before and after the traditional two minute silence at 11am.

But new chief fire officer Nigel Williams decided to axe the religious element of the service held at brigade headquarters at Hethersett near Norwich.

The decision was made after he was told that several staff were 'uncomfortable' with the religious nature of the ceremony.

Around 40 staff still gathered in the mess room yesterday (thurs) to stand in silence and lay poppy wreaths - but there were no Christian prayers said.

Instead a senior fire officer simply read war poet Laurence Binyon's famous poem For the Fallen before the silence.

Neil Harvey, a committee member of Norfolk Retained Firefighters' Union, said: 'I'm astounded. The people we're remembering here don't want to be anonymous and don't want their faith to be anonymous.

'That seems to be the way the world is going - making everything vanilla in order to avoid offending anybody.

'It would be interesting to find out how many people complained and what those complaints were.

'Is it money well spent for people to sit there and dream up things like this instead of spending it on frontline firefighters and new kit?'

from The Daily Mail

[KeithD]

Couldn't they have burnt a few of the old corrupt MP's instead?

[les_taxi]

We always hear that the majority of Muslims don't support this kind of behaviour,where are they then?

I don't see any Muslims standing opposite protesting against these scum it's total bullshit

Everyone of those *******s should be identified and deported along with their family's.

[Englishman2010]

I really don't understand all this PC rubbish about not wanting to offend non christians.

In Leicester, we have a very high % of Hindu's, Seikh's and Muslims, it has been that way for 30 or 40 years. To my knowledge there has never been any flag burning or racially/religiously motivated hate campaigns. Everyone leaves each other to get on with it, Christmas isn't banned, Divali isn't banned and nor is Eid. The lights and decorations go up for different festivals and no one bats an eyelid. Everyone respects each others customs and traditional celebrations. Surely this is the best way forward in cities with high immigrant populations?

[subseastu]

I really don't understand all this PC rubbish about not wanting to offend non christians.

In Leicester, we have a very high % of Hindu's, Seikh's and Muslims, it has been that way for 30 or 40 years. To my knowledge there has never been any flag burning or racially/religiously motivated hate campaigns. Everyone leaves each other to get on with it, Christmas isn't banned, Divali isn't banned and nor is Eid. The lights and decorations go up for different festivals and no one bats an eyelid. Everyone respects each others customs and traditional celebrations. Surely this is the best way forward in cities with high immigrant populations?

JUst like the midlands to show the rest of the country how its done!! All living in peace and harmony

[somebody]

I really don't understand all this PC rubbish about not wanting to offend non christians.

In Leicester, we have a very high % of Hindu's, Seikh's and Muslims, it has been that way for 30 or 40 years. To my knowledge there has never been any flag burning or racially/religiously motivated hate campaigns. Everyone leaves each other to get on with it, Christmas isn't banned, Divali isn't banned and nor is Eid. The lights and decorations go up for different festivals and no one bats an eyelid. Everyone respects each others customs and traditional celebrations. Surely this is the best way forward in cities with high immigrant populations?

Same in much of west London most people enjoy the others celebrations when Riots happened elsewhere in the country in the early noughties no one even thought of rioting..

Many Muslims who wish to simply get on and respect all like the majority of Brits try to ignore the extremists whether they are BNP or one of the Extreme Muslim groups. Sometimes i guess its a balance between not feeding them with oxygen of publicity and condemning them.

[Manila_Paul]

I suspect that the leadership of Islam4UK, at the very least, are state assets. Some of things they do and get away with just don't make sense. Plus, there is history here. Police have been caught among protests before attempting to stir the pot.

Even if they are for real, they aren't remotely representative of ordinary British Muslims, who just want to get on with their lives in peace.

[keithAngel]

Get out there lads get stuck in who says you cant Its time to mobalise all of the armchair internet warriors meet fire with fire this could be the turning point,a movement,lets retake the inner city,s and....................oops sorry my san migs getting warm and the missus wants my hand for a manicure oh my mistake

[bornatbirth]

Get out there lads get stuck in who says you cant Its time to mobalise all of the armchair internet warriors meet fire with fire this could be the turning point,a movement,lets retake the inner city,s and....................oops sorry my san migs getting warm and the missus wants my hand for a manicure oh my mistake

im with you, just gotta put my underwear on first and do the house work

[subseastu]

im with you, just gotta put my underwear on first and do the house work

Manicure.......housework. See who wears the trousers in your house!!!