http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11751888
I think the head of the UK's armed forces knows more than a few people here.
West cannot defeat al-Qaeda, says UK forces chief
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11751888
I think the head of the UK's armed forces knows more than a few people here.
a winning point Apo silence is golden
or perhaps everyone else is ignoring you now
Absit invidia
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I hope so, but they can't really argue about the source of this storyOriginally Posted by keithAngel
a winning point Apo silence is golden
or perhaps everyone else is ignoring you now
If they do, they'll be peeling spuds for 3 days
I hope so, but they can't really argue about the source of this story
If they do, they'll be peeling spuds for 3 daysyep you win
i have learnt to do what my wife says!
so whats the answer aposhark ?
Britain has lost 343 soldiers in Afghanistan since 2001.
they are all some ones sons or brothers
you think talking will solve it ?
You can lead a horse to water, but, a pencil must be lead. -Stan Laurel
West cannot defeat al-Qaeda, says UK forces chief
Of course they got ''Hidden Agenda''
''Don't be serious..Be Sincere''
Bring our troops home.so whats the answer aposhark ?
Britain has lost 343 soldiers in Afghanistan since 2001.
they are all some ones sons or brothers
you think talking will solve it ?
You can lead a horse to water, but, a pencil must be lead. -Stan Laurel
A terrible loss of life on all sides and for no real gain
Many Afghani civilians killed too; they are all someone's family members also, Joe.
What a shambles 1511082 (No).gif
Get the Arab league / Afghani's / Pakistani's / G20 to talk at length with the U.N. and involve all parties and stop the killing
Wars are very expensive, the G20 know about this.
Off the top of my head, the main issues:
1. Palestinians/Jews
2. Afghanistan
3. Iraq
Negotiate, yes Joe, for as long as it takes until there is a settlement.
What the hell do all these governments/diplomats do?
Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate.
~ John F. Kennedy
They'll keep up the fight as long as the CIA/Other secret agencies want to syphon off the cream from the opium crop for other under the radar activities, and keep employment levels high in US arms/munitions companies
Sounds like another vietnam to meThey'll keep up the fight as long as the CIA/Other secret agencies want to syphon off the cream from the opium crop for other under the radar activities, and keep employment levels high in US arms/munitions companies
It's been emontional
It is, but politically (in the US) it's better for the US to stay there, and my guess is they will be there for at least another 5 years, maybe 10, and during that time they won't have achieved anything other than keeping hundreds of thousands of US defence manufacturing workers in jobs. There must be a bigger picture here? the war isn't just about stopping Taliban training camps training up Jihadists to go to the US and detonate bombs. There are training camps all over the lawless states of East Africa and the Horn of Africa, but the US haven't declared war on Somalia, Eritrea, The Sudan, Ethiopia, Tanzania or Kenya yet?
"We were wrong, terribly wrong. (We) should not have tried to fight a guerrilla war with conventional military tactics against a foe willing to absorb enormous casualties...in a country lacking the fundamental political stability necessary to conduct effective military and pacification operations. It could not be done and it was not done."
- Robert S. McNamara
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"We will take our napalm and flame throwers out of the land that scarcely knows the use of matches...
We will leave you your small joys and smaller troubles."
- Eugene McCarthy in "Vietnam Message"
The problem is that NATO forces usually comply with the accepted rules of engagement, whereas the enemy doesnt. If NATO wants to win the war it needs to use tactics that aren't accepted, and of course as soon as it does everyone condemns them. There is a plus side to America getting bogged down in Afghanistan, which is whilst they are stuck there, they can't realistically contemplate attacking Iran. I somehow doubt that war would be limited to just conventional weapons
The gloves should be off in Afghanistan, no liberal rules of engagement we need a shoot to kill policy. Its the only language the Taliban understand. IED's are the biggest threat to the Allied forces, any locals who come up positive after being swabbed for explosives shouldn't be set free as often seems to be the case but summarily tried.The problem is that NATO forces usually comply with the accepted rules of engagement, whereas the enemy doesnt. If NATO wants to win the war it needs to use tactics that aren't accepted, and of course as soon as it does everyone condemns them. There is a plus side to America getting bogged down in Afghanistan, which is whilst they are stuck there, they can't realistically contemplate attacking Iran. I somehow doubt that war would be limited to just conventional weapons
Money talks, money walks. The Afghanistan war is important to USA economy, around 2 million servicemen, contractors dealing with Pentagon should employ 4 to 5 million people.
USA has interest in the south Caucasus republics rich of oil, for they want build a pipeline from north to south Afghanistan. Bush and Cheney have ties and interests with oil companies.
The same applies to Iraq war, oil is the main reason.
Let's hope the people of the USA lose interest in the wars as they did with Vietnam.
It just takes so many years to do this, and in the meantime many people get killed for ultimately no political gain, like Vietnam.
Talks should begin asap as, whether we like it or not, the Muslim faith is strong and without borders and continuing resentment will only cause more western civilian deaths by retaliatory actions.
If the UK forces chief says we cannot defeat al-Queda we should face up to reality.
A stand can be made against an army
No stand can be made against an idea Victor Hugo
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