thank you Arthur, her consultant here is Malaysian and understands the visa issues and is very supportive and symathetic. Her letter to the authorities is very well put together. My only concern is the age of Joys niece being only 25. We have followed all teh written rules as expressed and hope to be successful. if we fail I will look to return to Asia Pacific full time and work out of our home. The UK government can forgo my 35k in income tax and 10 k in Nat inusrance I pay here. As a higher tax rate payer they even will take away the childrens allowance which we have been and will save in the Phil accounts for our little ones.SOD them if the bin our application.