Thanks for the advice Bornabirth. Joe, i wld imagine a great many have taken the route we are about to embark on, weather its right in the eyes of the law or not so, i dont get your shaking head of disapproval comes from. Her tita wants to come here to be our yaya to be with her favorite niece and it wont be costing the British tax payer a penny. The wife wants to go back to work in turn supporting the wasters who dont want to work (perhaps a little strong) you get my drift. Yes Bornabirth dif surname. I guess we dont mention bibi minding etc. We shall bear this advice in mind when it comes the filling out the application. Cheers! Arthur, i just read your reply to Bornabirth's post, you made me laugh ! All good sound advice.