English Language Test

[Howerd]

Confirmation received from Carmen Jones of the UKBA that the Theodolite Training Group UK Inc. is NOT an accredited provider of the A1 English Test.

[posthome]

Confirmation received from Carmen Jones of the UKBA that the Theodolite Training Group UK Inc. is NOT an accredited provider of the A1 English Test.

Please give me the courtesy of letting me have the telephone number or email address of 'Carmen Jones' as this is completely untrue.

We have been authorised to offer the ELSA A1 English test for UK visa applicants for some weeks now and are listed as such on the UKBA website at http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...s-partners.pdf

EDI for whom we are a registered training centre in Cebu are also listed on the VFS website http://www.vfs-uk-ph.com/images/2010...A1_Testing.pdf

We would always welcome anyone who doubts our integrity or credibility to visit our offices in Cebu City at any time, so that we can show you the documentary proof of our status as an A1 test provider.

It has taken my asawa and I many months of hard work and perseverence establishing our training centre here in Cebu, and we are both extremely proud of the services we provide

Theodolite Training Group UK Incorporated

[Dedworth]

We have been authorised to offer the ELSA A1 English test for UK visa applicants for some weeks now and are listed as such on the UKBA website at http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...s-partners.pdf

There are 20 pages on this .pdf which one states

Theodolite Training Group UK Incorporated ?

[Howerd]

I have received an e-mail from posthome (Peter Thwaites). He apologized for any misleading information given, stating this was not intentional. He says he will remove any claims which suggest that Theodolite Training Group UK is directly accredited by the UKBA. He has also agreed to remove the claim that Theodolite Training Group UK is a registered UK learning provider.

I am happy that Mr. Thwaites has agreed to do this.

[Dedworth]

I have received an e-mail from posthome (Peter Thwaites). He apologized for any misleading information given, stating this was not intentional. He says he will remove any claims which suggest that Theodolite Training Group UK is directly accredited by the UKBA. He has also agreed to remove the claim that Theodolite Training Group UK is a registered UK learning provider.

I am happy that Mr. Thwaites has agreed to do this.

So this in post # 11 was a load of bull

You are always very welcome to contact LCCI, EDI, or the UK Border Agency for confirmation of our accreditation, and we are also registered as a UK Learning Provider.

[Howerd]

I have received a further e-mail from Mr. Thwaites, claiming that his posts cannot be removed from this forum. Mr. Thwaites then claims that I am 'confused', giving a number of reasons why I am 'confused'. Here is my open reply...


Mr. Thwaites...

Had you not falsely claimed on your website that Theodolite Training was approved by the UKBA I would not have been confused.

Had you not falsely claimed in our phone call that Theodolite Training was approved by the UKBA, I would not have been confused, because on checking the UKBA list, Theodolite Training is not approved.

When I subsequently posted on the Filipino forum stating that Theodolite Training was NOT on the UKBA approved list, you responded on that forum saying that it was. You even included a link to the approved list, falsely claiming again that Theodolite Training was on that list. If you had not done that I would not have been confused.

Had you not falsely claimed (on a Spanish website) that Theodolite Training Group UK (an English language training provider) was accredited by the ABBE (an awarding body for the Built Environment), I would not have been confused.

Had you not posted on the Filipino forum, falsely claiming that Theodolite Training Group UK was a registered UK learning provider I would not be confused.

Had you not told me on the phone that language learning providers, such as yours, in the Philippines have to be incorporated, I would not have been confused as to why methods of payment for Theodolite Training courses can be direct to you personally, by Western Union or your wife's personal bank account in the UK.

Had you not told me on the phone that language learning providers in the Philippines have to be incorporated, I would not have been confused when you told me that you pay exam fees personally to EDI.

Had you not told me on the phone that you live six months in the UK and six months in the Philippines each year, yet in your e-mail to me, claim that you have 'moved' to the Philippines, whilst telling others that you are 'visiting' the Philippines, I would not be confused.

Sorry, but any confusion in my mind has only been caused by what you say, write and do!

[Howerd]

I have received an e-mail from Mr. Thwaites in which he states:

"I understand from Keith Driscoll that I am unable to edit posts on the filipinouk forum."

Mr. Thwaites does accept that his posts on this forum (and elsewhere), in which he claims Theodolite Training Group UK is directly accredited by the UKBA are misleading. Mr. Thwaites has removed a similar claim from his own website, so I believe there is genuine recognition of the misleading claim.

Mr. Thwaites also confirms that Theodolite Training Group UK is not a registered UK learning provider; it appears that the Filipino Forum UK is the only place where such a claim has been made.

Mr. Thwaites has also confirmed removal of any reference to accreditation for Theodolite Training Group UK by ABBE he made on another third party site.

I have verified that Mr. Thwaites has also removed any reference to accreditation by the ABBE for another business owned by him, following intervention by the ABBE.

I am pleased that Mr. Thwaites has now made these amendments.

[quickwillow]

I have received an e-mail from posthome (Peter Thwaites). He apologized for any misleading information given, stating this was not intentional. He says he will remove any claims which suggest that Theodolite Training Group UK is directly accredited by the UKBA. He has also agreed to remove the claim that Theodolite Training Group UK is a registered UK learning provider.

I am happy that Mr. Thwaites has agreed to do this.

I’m not sure what you think you have achieved here other than to prove that Theodolite training centre name is not DIRECTLY PRINTED on the UKBA website as already posted He comes under EDI (Education development International) I guess this link doesn’t satisfy you that he is approved ?
http://www.vfs-uk-ph.com/images/2010...A1_Testing.pdf

The VFS website clearly states Theodolite Training Centre is a UKBA approved for the A1 English language test

[Howerd]

quickwillow...

It was posthome who claimed his company is accredited by the UKBA. UKBA accreditation is completely separate process and Theodolite Training is not accredited by the UKBA as a test provder

Posthome also claimed on this forum that his company is on the register of UK learning provders. That claim is also incorrect.

On another siter, posthome also claimed that his company is accredited by ABBE. Following intervention by ABBE, posthome had to remove that claim.

Posthome also had to remove claims of ABBE accreditation for another business he owns.