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    Bungling Bob Ainsworth wants drugs legalised

    This clown thinks all drugs should be legalised - with his pathetic attempts at being a Govt Minister with the last shower I reckon he's permanently on drugs.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-minister.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12011866

    I'd sort out the drug problem at a stroke by following Singapore & Malaysia - hang drug dealers


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    I'd sort out the drug problem at a stroke by following Singapore & Malaysia - hang drug dealers
    thankfully, you will never get voted for
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    The topic was debated (with 90 replies and 1664 views) in my thread "Another Great Deception : Ban Recreational Drugs" started in April 2010.
    I do not see the need to say more on this issue, and certainly will not be drawn into confrontation. Many valid points have been made by various members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Alan View Post
    The topic was debated (with 90 replies and 1664 views) in my thread "Another Great Deception : Ban Recreational Drugs" started in April 2010.
    I do not see the need to say more on this issue, and certainly will not be drawn into confrontation. Many valid points have been made by various members.
    My trusted status was hard earned, and it's not about to be lost.
    Thanks for the input. I was one of the 1664 viewers of your thread, imho "recreational drugs" and "all drugs" are different issues.

    My thread "Nurse filmed on CCTV accidentally switching off life support machine" started October 2010 has had 24 replies and 1876 views. Is there some sort of league table detailing replies & views anywhere on the forum ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    Thanks for the input. I was one of the 1664 viewers of your thread ...
    My pleasure, thank you for the courtesy of reading my thread. The "league table" of views and posts can readily be seen, and is some reflection of the interest in the topic.
    I appreciate your interest and support for my input to the forum Thankfully I'm a doctor, not a politician, and I'm grateful for your respect .


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    Bob Ainsworth

    Whether you agree, or disagree with his views, what is more pathetic is that now he has no power over policy he speaks out.

    So where was this 'long held view' about drugs policy when he was actually a Home Office minister in charge of drugs policy? Ainsworth is a :censored: joke. And if he had any balls he'd have said as much while he was actually in government.

    It would be interesting to know how he voted on the re-classification of Cannabis back to class B, or indeed the banning of Mephedrone. Anyone know how I can find out ?

    But then, turkey don’t vote for Christmas do they ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdjones View Post
    Ainsworth is a joke. And if he had any balls......
    That's his boss now!
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    From a simplest view, one of the reasons why so many crimes are committed is because there are so many laws, many of which should be removed from the statue book.

    Apart from the medical side, many of the problems associated with drugs are because they are illegal, just like prostitution and formerly the porn industry.

    If people want to kill themselves with drugs, alcohol, smoking etc then as I see it, it is their problem. Why should my taxes be spent trying to stop them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by johncar54 View Post

    If people want to kill themselves with drugs, alcohol, smoking etc then as I see it, it is their problem. Why should my taxes be spent trying to stop them?
    You've a point there, John! Why bother putting Government Health Warnings - accompanied by gory images - on cigarette packets ... when, basically, it's not going to make one whit of difference to people who will continue to puff away, regardless?!


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    The Netherlands has had a liberal approach to cannabis consumption for 30 or 40 years and whilst they still take a hard line against Heroin and Cocaine, it seems as though there is less drug fuelled crime in Amsterdam than there would be in equivalent sized UK cities (Manchester, Birmingham or Liverpool). I've been to Amsterdam 20 + times in the last 10 years and rarely see any Police on the streets. Most of the trouble there is caused by drunks not pot heads.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Englishman2010 View Post
    The Netherlands has had a liberal approach to cannabis consumption for 30 or 40 years and whilst they still take a hard line against Heroin and Cocaine, it seems as though there is less drug fuelled crime in Amsterdam than there would be in equivalent sized UK cities (Manchester, Birmingham or Liverpool). I've been to Amsterdam 20 + times in the last 10 years and rarely see any Police on the streets. Most of the trouble there is caused by drunks not pot heads.
    Try Rotterdam crime seems a bit more prevalent there and a lot of it involves the folk I'm not supposed to mention. I understand from friend's over there that there is still plenty of drug related crime but the perpetrators thed to be ordered to keep out of the cities.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    Try Rotterdam crime seems a bit more prevalent there and a lot of it involves the folk I'm not supposed to mention. I understand from friend's over there that there is still plenty of drug related crime but the perpetrators thend to be ordered to keep out of the cities.
    That's very true, my brother was there a few years ago and witnessed a drive by shooting as he was walking to his hotel


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    There is currently a war going on in Mexico between rival clans of drug dealers and the authorities. Thousands of people are being killed.

    Surley there is some merit in the idea of taking the drugs out of the hands of the criminals and gangsters.

    We need a new approach to the drug problem, since what we're doing at the moment just isn't working.

    As for "hang all drug dealers".... that doesn't work either. There are still drug users in Malaysia and Singapore.


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    Drugs?Two of the worst are already legalised in this country,I can walk into Tesco and buy a pack of ciggies or stock a trolley with alcohol,both are a darned sight more harmfull than cannabis



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    More people are hooked on legal drugs than illegal ones, so would we also hang doctors
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawi2 View Post
    Drugs?Two of the worst are already legalised in this country,I can walk into Tesco and buy a pack of ciggies or stock a trolley with alcohol,both are a darned sight more harmful than cannabis
    There may be some truth in what you say but one should not be mislead into believing that the use of cannabis is harmless.

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    Results Cannabis users had bilaterally reduced hippocampal and amygdala volumes (P = .001), with a relatively (and significantly [P = .02]) greater magnitude of reduction in the former (12.0% vs 7.1%). Left hemisphere hippocampal volume was inversely associated with cumulative exposure to cannabis during the previous 10 years (P = .01) and subthreshold positive psychotic symptoms (P < .001). Positive symptom scores were also associated with cumulative exposure to cannabis (P = .048). Although cannabis users performed significantly worse than controls on verbal learning (P < .001), this did not correlate with regional brain volumes in either group.

    Conclusions These results provide new evidence of exposure-related structural abnormalities in the hippocampus and amygdala in long-term heavy cannabis users and corroborate similar findings in the animal literature. These findings indicate that heavy daily cannabis use across protracted periods exerts harmful effects on brain tissue and mental health.


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    Quote Originally Posted by johncar54 View Post
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    There may be some truth in what you say but one should not be mislead into believing that the use of cannabis is harmless.
    I fully agree and in a lot of cases it leads to further abuse and addiction to killer drugs like heroin and crack cocaine


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    heavy daily cannabis use
    I never mentioned HEAVY cannabis use John,I just said that cannabis is less harmfull than alcohol and tobbacco,which is true,as for the gateway drug theory,thats because some people have addictive personalities,I have never drank,smoked nor gambled in my life,some people have every vice under the sun.



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