Benefits Christmas

[jimeve]

I did but only made it one waster

Oh, only one waster then.

[sars_notd_virus]

This maggot is having a nice Christmas with £ thousands of benefits money

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz18rVDowvD

Like many mothers, Eloise Little has been stockpiling her four *children’s Christmas presents for months.

Let us not forget that Christmas is actually for ''kids'' and should be the one benefitting during christmas season.


I rest my case on this as of my rant on my previous thread http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....fit-Britain... nothing we can do about it,...its the government job/duties/responsibilities and problems in the end,unless it change for the better??i hope lol ......
anyway,i still consider the ABLE and the workers who works hard for their future ,,,.very lucky indeed and should be most proud of..

Happy Christmas!!!

[Arthur Little]

Be fair, a stay-at-home mum with 4 children ... it's a full-time job in itself - coping with children as young as hers - WITHOUT having to go out to work too!! And I admire her for that if nothing else!

, with much of what others have said ... BUT ... still maintain that she has my admiration for staying at home to ensure her family is well-looked-after. Four kids is quite a handful!!!!

[gWaPito]

Hi Arthur. In reply to your question 'will Jane be giving up work when baby comes' the answer to that is, yes and no. As soon as we found out she was pregnant it was under my instruction that she was to stop work that day. Reason being The work she was doing was heavy for a girl of Jane's size. I was not going to allow her to risk losing what we have both wanted so badly, a child of our own. By the way She had her anomally scan yesterday, all is as it should be and its a boy. Baby is due May 14. Anyway going back to the thread. Yes Jane will go back to work at her own request on a part time basis only. This time working shop or office No more manual! Its not for the money as I provide more than enough Its for her own well being and independence. Her Aunt will child mind. As for the women in question I quote Arthur ' you admire her 4 kids are a handful' what is there to admire about. All I see is a women unable to provide for the kids she brought into this world and expects the few tax payers on this forum and of course the rest of the country to provide all the high tech stuff even I cant afford to buy. That is not right. Anyway Im back to work Ive had my break xxx Oh by the way. As pointed out by I think it was Jim Ottley. The unemployed generally have a shorter life so, no im not jealous of there lazy life. Im working till I drop out of choice. Although it wont be driving hgv 1 trucks for Tesco like i am now!

[les_taxi]

, with much of what others have said ... BUT ... still maintain that she has my admiration for staying at home to ensure her family is well-looked-after. Four kids is quite a handful!!!!

No admiration from me,she chose to have the kids and now expects the world to pay for them-selfish cow!

Bet she has tough days watching Jeremy Kyle and loose women

[Englishman2010]

Like most hard working tax payers I dont like to see tax payers money wasted on lazy scroungers. I don't know enough about this lady to make a judgement, but in reality not all single mums on benefits are lazy scroungers.
When a couple with kids separate, it is usually the mother who ends up caring for the kids. This is going to limit her ability to work full time or even part time if she can't find affordable child care. Sometimes the father of the kids won't take his share of the responsibility or contribute to the cost of raising kids, meaning the mother has no choice but to be dependent on benefits. I'm sure most respectable mothers would love to go back to work from a pride point of view, but if it's not in their financial interest to do so, who can blame them for getting what they can from the state?
The system is wrong in this country - Firstly, the father should be made to pay towards his childrens upbringing. There should be affordable/State assisted childcare from the age of 6 months to encourage mothers to return to work.
I'm sure there is also a lot of discrimination from employers who are reluctant to employ a mother with young children in a senior role (despite her qualifications and experience) due to the fear that she may have to take days off at short notice due to childrens sickness.

Not my usual uncompromising centre right reply, but in reality this is the case. Most single mum's I know are respectable people and would love to go to work if they could.

[bornatbirth]

centre right, just common sense

[joebloggs]

This is going to limit her ability to work full time or even part time if she can't find affordable child care.

you might not know this Englishman but if you qualify the gov will pay upto 75% of child care costs, because of the cost of childcare, for some people they are better off not working (and i dont mean claiming benefits)

[Englishman2010]

you might not know this Englishman but if you qualify the gov will pay upto 75% of child care costs, because of the cost of childcare, for some people they are better off not working (and i dont mean claiming benefits)

Officially my kids are with their mother, although they do spend about 1/3 of the time with me. I don't qualify for anything as they are resident with their mum more than me, and as it's all means tested and I'm well over the threshold I wouldn't qualify for any kind of support anyway.

Kids do get 5 free half day sessions per week in a Nursery from the age of 3 and a half, but this is only in term time, so it's not much use during 13 weeks of School holidays.

If the Government really wanted to incentivise mums to go back to work, they should provide affordable childcare from the age of 6 months for 52 weeks a year.

[joebloggs]

Kids do get 5 free half day sessions per week in a Nursery from the age of 3 and a half, but this is only in term time, so it's not much use during 13 weeks of School holidays.

If the Government really wanted to incentivise mums to go back to work, they should provide affordable childcare from the age of 6 months for 52 weeks a year.

i think the free (for 3 and 4yr olds) nursery time can cover hols now,

for most people the gov does provide affordable child care, they pay about 70% of our childcare costs, but come april we will get 0 but were lucky they are both at nursery or school now, but child care b4 and after school cost us £130 a week

alslo remember they use your income from the previous year so if the mother does get a part time or full time job it should not effect what child care benefit they get for a whole year.

[Ako Si Jamie]

There are people out there who are on benefits who choose not to work, not because they’re lazy but because there’s no incentive to do so.
Working a forty hour week on minimum wage instead of claiming benefits for some is not worthwhile as they’ll only be making a few quid extra or nothing at all. I don’t have a problem with that.

Eloise Little claims the reason she won’t work is because she’ll come out with less money but it sounds to me that her initial intentions were to have several kids and rake in the child benefit so she didn’t have to. She’s never had a job yet she claims she deserves the money. Get a grip! Then she brags about the presents she buys her kids, which no doubt will create jealousy & resentment towards her amongst her community as well as alerting the local scallies in targeting her property next Christmas. Smart move!
On top of that she says she’ll ‘bust a gut’ to get her kids anything they want. Hmmm……. she doesn’t work so how can she a ‘bust a gut’?

I’m just wondering if she has to declare the money she received from the newspaper to the DHSS because it might be classed as income. If it is, her plan to make some easy cash has backfired and has made herself look pretty foolish in the process.

[beppe]

Do the children have any father? Should he pay any child support for the children.
Another problem down the road is that when the children are grown up, she will be too old and with no experience to enter in the job market.

[Ako Si Jamie]

Yes they do and he's meant to support the kids but doesn't.

All too common these days. Child support from the government should only be given to a family of no more than two children. If a couple want more than two it should come out their own pockets. Stop all this multi breeding.

[joebloggs]

Yes they do and he's meant to support the kids but doesn't.

All too common these days. Child support from the government should only be given to a family of no more than two children. If a couple want more than two it should come out their own pockets. Stop all this multi breeding.

if everything was so black and white, how do you know the father(s) are not paying anything, you don't know how long shes been claiming benefits, could have been recently, who is to blame for the break up?, if its the mother why should the father have to pay the crazy figures the CSA want? (my friend years ago, had to pay nearly 1/3 of his wage to the CSA, how the could he live on what he had left (without the need to claim benefits ) sure the father (or mother) pay to support their children, but everyone should pay not just some

http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a341.asp

[Ako Si Jamie]

if everything was so black and white, how do you know the father(s) are not paying anything, you don't know how long shes been claiming benefits, could have been recently, who is to blame for the break up?, if its the mother why should the father have to pay the crazy figures the CSA want? (my friend years ago, had to pay nearly 1/3 of his wage to the CSA, how the could he live on what he had left (without the need to claim benefits ) sure the father (or mother) pay to support their children, but everyone should pay not just some

http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a341.asp

Taken from the article.

Certainly, elements of Eloise’s tale are all too familiar: a teenage *pregnancy, a fractured relationship and four children left without a father who contributes not a single penny to their upkeep.


And if she's only recently claimed benefits how has she supported herself and her kids in the past because there's no mention of her ever working.

[joebloggs]

Taken from the article.

Certainly, elements of Eloise’s tale are all too familiar: a teenage *pregnancy, a fractured relationship and four children left without a father who contributes not a single penny to their upkeep.


And if she's only recently claimed benefits how has she supported herself and her kids in the past because there's no mention of her ever working.

i dont believe much i read in the press
but I'm sure there are many 'fathers' who don't contribute a penny maybe the gov should charge them a higher rate of tax ? but what about the mother ??

the article will not mention if she has worked, its meant to taxpayers off, to try and justify benefit cuts, I'm sure Cameron or Osborne will not miss their £1,000 child benefit each year

[Ako Si Jamie]

i dont believe much i read in the press
but I'm sure there are many 'fathers' who don't contribute a penny maybe the gov should charge them a higher rate of tax ? but what about the mother ??

There are plenty of fathers who don't contribute but there's a government department called the CSA (Child Support Agency) which chases up the parents who fail to support their kids. I'm not sure if the father in this case though will be made to pay as he himself is on benefits.

[Terpe]

There are plenty of fathers who don't contribute but there's a government department called the CSA (Child Support Agency) which chases up the parents who fail to support their kids. .....

Call me cynical for this comment, but..... the CSA generally try to meet targets by maximising the payments of those who show a willingness to pay, rather than over-extending their resources tracking down errant fathers and enforcing support payments.

[Ako Si Jamie]

Call me cynical for this comment, but..... the CSA generally try to meet targets by maximising the payments of those who show a willingness to pay, rather than over-extending their resources tracking down errant fathers and enforcing support payments.

Interesting. I wonder if the tax man has a similar strategy ?

[Terpe]

Interesting. I wonder if the tax man has a similar strategy ?

In short yes!

[joebloggs]

Call me cynical for this comment, but..... the CSA generally try to meet targets by maximising the payments of those who show a willingness to pay, rather than over-extending their resources tracking down errant fathers and enforcing support payments.

no i think your right, why waste time and money chasing people who do their best to avoid paying, and why not the ones who are willing to pay something. same with the visa game

[joebloggs]

Interesting. I wonder if the tax man has a similar strategy ?

i think its the same with banks to, they'll send you threatening letters etc if you owe them money, but when it gets to the point they know they probably will not get anything out of you, they sell the debt on to debt collectors for like 1/10 of the debt.

[tuft249]

so what must you think of the members on here that bring children 6500 miles to claim benefits for them? tax credits etc. they must be total pondlife. your choice of paper tells me your the pondlife.the mail blames asylum seekers for just about everything under the sun.

This maggot is having a nice Christmas with £ thousands of benefits money

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz18rVDowvD

Like many mothers, Eloise Little has been stockpiling her four *children’s Christmas presents for months.

She’s had to budget, too: what with the designer clothes and expensive gadgets on their wish lists, she needs to spend at least £300 to £400 on each of them in order to meet the demands for laptops, computer games, trainers and bikes.

Then there’s all the food and drink required to see the family through the festive season.

That, she reckons, will set her back several hundred pounds, on top of the thousand of pounds or so she spends on other presents and festivities over the season.

They’re the sort of figures that would surely make the average working parent stare gloomily into their Christmas eggnog - few, after all, are in a position to contemplate spending such a sum.

But then, as 27-year-old Eloise, from Penryn, Cornwall, admits, she’s not a member of your average working family.

She’s on benefits, meaning that effectively it’s your money which is paying for her children’s Christmas - Xboxes and all.

[joebloggs]

not a fan of dedworth then
he's like marmite, you love or hate him
thou i wonder to why he reads the tacky papers
me and my misses claim child care element of tax creds, thou becuase my wife now earns a decent wage, we will not get a penny come april , but we've taken from the tax payer, now in april we'll be paying it back swings and roundabouts as my old boss would say

[mattwilkie]

The system is a farse.. im all for paying nothing in and getting nothing out.. when I am contracting in the UK my payments to these leeches or should I call it income tax? is over £500 per week and before people start saying well if i can afford to lose that.. I spent 9 years studying (And working full-time) to get where I am. It sickens me when I see people thinking its "ok" to take from the system.. there is no system its tax payers money.. If people give up their jobs to stay at home with the kids thats fine as long as one of the parents is earning enough to pay for it otherwise its completely wrong.
Partly why I moved to the Philippines as I hit my tax bracket and get on a flight everything is taxed to the hilt and its going to get worse thanks to the people that havent covered their debts and government overspending for the last decade on false projects.. on a happy note Happy New Year.. are we funding that for her aswell?

[Dedworth]

so what must you think of the members on here that bring children 6500 miles to claim benefits for them? tax credits etc. they must be total pondlife. your choice of paper tells me your the pondlife.the mail blames asylum seekers for just about everything under the sun.

Thanks for your contribution - have I ever commented on members here claiming the benefits they are entitled to ? No I guess they are like me.

It's always enlightening to see someone who judges others on the paper they think they read, I'm off to spend my discount vouchers on the Independent shortly.

I eagerly await your input to a few other topics on this board - where are you on the Football ?

[joebloggs]

The system is a farse.. im all for paying nothing in and getting nothing out..

I am. It sickens me when I see people thinking its "ok" to take from the system.. there is no system its tax payers money..

but those on work permits/tier 1 are tax payers, they have to pay in, and can't get nothing out til they have ILR, for most that will take more than 5yrs, hows that fair ?

[Doc Alan]

Our friends from the Philippines who, like me, read all your posts, might find uncritical repetition of the term "pond life" confusing, especially if they are taking an English Language test.
It's a derogatory term comparing someone with the many different organisms living in ponds, dating from the 1980's, but at least further up the evolutionary scale than the US equivalent "pond scum".
Even tne "Daily Handwringer" (another term which our friends may not understand) published beautiful photos of pond life recently ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...fe?INTCMP=SRCH) which makes one question the use of the term.
I'm happy to contribute to the forum on topics other than health as my association with the Philippines goes back as far as 1978. However, I'm sorry to admit to knowing very little about football !
Happy New Year

[joebloggs]

I'm sorry to admit to knowing very little about football !
Happy New Year

and it's best you stay that way doc Alan

religion and football cause more than anything else on here

Happy New year Doc Alan

[Dedworth]

Our friends from the Philippines who, like me, read all your posts, might find uncritical repetition of the term "pond life" confusing, especially if they are taking an English Language test.
It's a derogatory term comparing someone with the many different organisms living in ponds, dating from the 1980's, but at least further up the evolutionary scale than the US equivalent "pond scum".
Even tne "Daily Handwringer" (another term which our friends may not understand) published beautiful photos of pond life recently ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...fe?INTCMP=SRCH) which makes one question the use of the term.
I'm happy to contribute to the forum on topics other than health as my association with the Philippines goes back as far as 1978. However, I'm sorry to admit to knowing very little about football !
Happy New Year

Good idea pointing out the idiom Pond Life for anyone taking the ELT for their further benefit I'd point out that another idiom with similar meaning is low life

Have a great New Year