You mentioned the word 'tolerate' Until we are in these situations, none of us know what our limitations are. Example Graham, you said you dont think you could of tolerated what Mick had to endure. I put it to you Graham, I dont think I could of tolerated what you endured. Not your daughter! Im meaning the deception. But, I cant put my hand on my heart and say 'i cant do this' In my younger years maybe. I have found as I have got older I have gained more charity and compassion in my heart. Im sure a lot of use older guys can say this? You have done a good job of there upbringing Graham, they are a credit to you. I take my hat off!