i am always up for a bargin, the trouble is i always have to think do i want it and before you know what its gone, but then again i still have the money in my pocket, but with the camera its our hobbie together so a differant lens will be added soon and more pics taken
Hi Jim,Originally Posted by JimOttley
Me too!
Yep it's a really nice pic Apo
The new 70-200 IS MkII is really too long on a 1.6 crop body like the 7D or any of the xxD and xxxD series.
For portraits and groups (from a distance) get the EF 50mm f1.4 or the 50mm f1.8 plastic fantastic
For a truly good standard lens on a 1.6 crop body either get the EF 35mm f2 or the EF 28mm f1.8
All of these are good value and will out perform any zoom by a HUGE margin
Seriously it would be hard to tell a shot from the 50 or 35 wide open from a shot taken on the 70-200.
The other option is the EFS 17-55 f2.8 which while it is expensive is a truly stunning lens!
Can you pls explain your comment in bold?
This question has been on my mind for a while.
Do you think full frame is best? There seems to be people who prefer APS 1.6
On the contrary Jim, I am enjoying your input as well as pics
Passing through HK airport the other day was just as shocking price-wise as it was a couple of years ago, Steve.yes nice picture , we have just invested in a new camera, its from some of the money we received as gifts for out wedding , so we brought a nikon d5000 , the pictures are very good but still getting use to it, hopefully when in hongkong might pick up a biggerlens a little cheaper
They did say the exchange rate was the reason back then, and of course airport prices are always ridiculously high compared to the city
I used to love HK and Singapore back in the 70's
Got my Canon AE1 in Singapore in 1978
xxD = Canon 20D 30D 40D etc
xxxD = 450D 550D and so on
All of these are 1.6 crop cameras, i.e. the sensor horizonal and vertical dimensions are 1.6 times smaller than a full 35mm frame.
This has the effect of mulipling your lens focal length by 1.6
Think of it like this every Canon EF lens produces a circle of light at the back big enough to cover a 35mm frame 36mm × 24mm but an APS-C frame is only 22.2mm x 14.8mm, this means it sees a much smaller part of the same circle of light.
The effect of this is to turn a 70-200 into a 112x320 lens, now for some that is a good thing, if you are taking pictures of sports it's a useful range but for pictures of people 112mm is quite long, you would have to stand far away from a person to get much more than head and shoulders in the shot, this limits the usefulness of the lens in my view on an APS-C camera, on full frame though it's great.
Usually on 35mm cameras a 50mm prime lens provides a standard view with little distortion but on an APS-C camera it's an 80mm portrait lens.
The Canon EF 70-200 IS mkII is stunning Canon have reworked the lens to make it good enough for the next generation of professional full frame cameras, it is significantly better than the older version of that lens but they upped the price a lot when they brought out this new one.
Personally yes Full Frame is best because then all your lenses behave the way they are supposed to but as you know there is only one real sensible choice in the Canon range which is the 5D mkII and that's 1600 quid, the other choice the 1Ds mkIII is 5 to 6 grand.
Full frame gives shallower depth of field than APS-C, that shot of the taxi kids was taken on my 5D (mark 1) with a 24-105 L series zoom (great lens) at f4 and as you can see the background is nicely blurred, to get the same blur on APS-C you need a faster lens (wider aperture).
Both formats have their place but Canon clearly see Full Frame as professional these days and APS-C as amateur and advanced amateur range.
I fancy the 7D myself, my 5D got destroyed last year sadly but I would miss the lenses working as they did in the old days i.e. at their real focal length.
Oh last thing the EFS lenses are designed specially for APS-C and won't work on full frame, they have a smaller image circle and it does not cover the required area, won't even physically fit on a full frame body.
Thanks for the informative reply Jim.
I knew some of the gist, the rest I will digest and get back to you
Cheers
Photography has for a long time been one of my joys and especially in the Philippines.
I have a Canon 450d with a couple of lenses and often long to have a better model and lens like a 70d and the new 70-200 2.8 lens
I invariably walk around all the time with my camera as there are so many Filipino children who want their pictures taken. They are wonderful subjects, so full of happiness and almost always have smiling faces.
I also took some pics of teens in Daanbantayan on the island of Cebu recently (we got married here in August 2008), seems they were part of a group as they all met me later at night with their group T-shirts on.
They were fun to take pictures of and it was quite a challenge getting them all in.
Hope you like one of these pics.
The girl on the right couldn't just be a tomboy when it came to the moment
for sharing it with us.
Most of the shots I've posted here were taken on an old Canon 20D that I sold a couple of years back but the one you liked was on the full frame 5D
On APS-C the lens lineup you want is 10mm for extreme wide angle, 20 for moderate wide angle, 35mm as a standard lens and 50mm as a good portrait lens, any zoom starting at 55 on the wide end is good for everything else.
With the exception of sports photographers and wildlife nature photographers most of us have little use for focal lengths greater than 200mm, they are fun but if you analyse the pictures you take with them you find they don't get used a lot. Adobe Lightroom is a great program for analysing your entire photo collection and telling you what kit you are actually using
I should add that the 70-200 would be good for what is known as street photography i.e. candid pictures of strangers but the bulk and the fact it is a BIG white lens make you stand out more than you might want. Canon do an absolutely fantastic 200mm f2.8 prime in their professional L series and it is not expensive (by L standards) I have often thought of trying to get one second hand on ebay as an alternative to the 70-200 it's just as good but no zoom obviously.
Thanks Arthur, it is hard to fail taking pics of Filipino kids
I have been looking at a photography training video and the 70-200 lenses were the bees knees Jim, albeit in a concert arena.Most of the shots I've posted here were taken on an old Canon 20D that I sold a couple of years back but the one you liked was on the full frame 5D
On APS-C the lens lineup you want is 10mm for extreme wide angle, 20 for moderate wide angle, 35mm as a standard lens and 50mm as a good portrait lens, any zoom starting at 55 on the wide end is good for everything else.
With the exception of sports photographers and wildlife nature photographers most of us have little use for focal lengths greater than 200mm, they are fun but if you analyse the pictures you take with them you find they don't get used a lot. Adobe Lightroom is a great program for analysing your entire photo collection and telling you what kit you are actually using
I should add that the 70-200 would be good for what is known as street photography i.e. candid pictures of strangers but the bulk and the fact it is a BIG white lens make you stand out more than you might want. Canon do an absolutely fantastic 200mm f2.8 prime in their professional L series and it is not expensive (by L standards) I have often thought of trying to get one second hand on ebay as an alternative to the 70-200 it's just as good but no zoom obviously.
I just love the candid shots you can get from long lenses.
My older long zoom is not wide enough to stop me worrying about low light and/or camera shake.
I thought the 7D was APS, Jim?
This would make it less effective for taking good shots like yours, wouldn't it?
I am just planning ahead for the time when I can jump in and get something better when the prices come down.
Do you use Lightroom 3 ?
In reverse
Yep I use Lightroom 3 it is just wonderful the new RAW processing is much much better than what we had before even for old files.
The 7D is a 1.6 crop APS-C, that disappointed a lot of folk when it came out but saying that it is a fantastic camera great low light performance, professional build quality reasonable price, lots of modern features but some of us are not sure about the real image quality from it. It is really really good but at high ISO the grain is a bit artificial and that upsets the purists, I think I would still be happy with one, APS-C has it's place.
If you are used to the long end on an APS-C and you like that for your style of picture taking then yes I agree entirely, it is the bees knees
My only reservation about the 70-200 is that it's white, it sticks out like a sore thumb
I had the 70-200 IS f4 L and that was as sharp as the new 70-200 IS mkII f2.8 but one stop slower and a bit lighter, really really nice lens, fantastic IS.
Last one Apo unless someone else posts some pics.
My son James (on the left) and his best friend Justin (couple of years back)
A bit like most of us in the Phils then... My only reservation about the 70-200 is that it's white, it sticks out like a sore thumb
Excellent JimOttley, you just can't beat kids. You have a cracking looking lad
I will post some more when my Win 7 laptop comes back from the cleaners, sorry store.
This XP desktop is slower than a wet fart :(
It is great to celebrate children and all that they bring into the world.
I do miss feeling like Pied Piper here in UK now. It wasn't rats that followed me over there, I never seemed to be able to walk down the streets in the province without at least 20 kids wanting to tag along.
Maybe it was buying lots of "candies" and handing them out to them that was my bad idea.
Rolling on the floor laughing : Ace MikeA bit like most of us in the Phils then
I just miss the whole felling of being there, you are right it is special when they want to follow you around, it's not always for reward either.Excellent JimOttley, you just can't beat kids. You have a cracking looking lad
I will post some more when my Win 7 laptop comes back from the cleaners, sorry store.
This XP desktop is slower than a wet fart :(
It is great to celebrate children and all that they bring into the world.
I do miss feeling like Pied Piper here in UK now. It wasn't rats that followed me over there, I never seemed to be able to walk down the streets in the province without at least 20 kids wanting to tag along.
Maybe it was buying lots of "candies" and handing them out to them that was my bad idea.
My son is gwapo (handsome) takes after his mum, he was just over three years old at that point, Janna my daughter takes after me
Back to Photography, that last shot was taken on an 8 year old Canon 1D original, four megapixel thing and it's still great even in print!
Just goes to show that cameras have been good for a long time.
Have enjoyed the pics and have enjoyed the posts in this thread.
Thanks go to all contributors.
I still consider photography to be one of my hobbies.
I have remained interested since I first started over 40 years ago
Used to get involved in the darkroom also.
Anyways, just wanted to highlight a useful and interesting website about photography.
http://photo.tutsplus.com/
I worked in the photographic industry from 1978 till 1989, spent most of my twenties in the darkrooom
It's been a hobby for me again since digital came along, that was what rekindled my interest.
So good to see others share my enthusiasm for photography.
Perhaps we could continue showing our photos here.
I know there are websites that critique photos but we all have a very special bond that is everything Filipino
Lots of us have travelled a lot and have seen many wondrous things to photograph.
Personally, I have never found anything as exciting and easy as taking pics of Filipino kids; they all seem to love their pictures being taken. They don't want reward or thankyou's and when we show them their small faces on the LCD screen the shrieks of laughter fill my heart.
Thanks for making this thread so enjoyable so far
I just did the arithmetic nearly 40 years since I got my first SLR but my dad put a camera in my hands much youngerHave enjoyed the pics and have enjoyed the posts in this thread.
Thanks go to all contributors.
I still consider photography to be one of my hobbies.
I have remained interested since I first started over 40 years ago
Used to get involved in the darkroom also.
Anyways, just wanted to highlight a useful and interesting website about photography.
http://photo.tutsplus.com/
I was using various medium format 620 roll film cameras before I was 10 years old, we had a really good Kodak Sterling II that was my dad's pride and joy, he was a chemist and did all his own processing too.
That answers a lot.I just did the arithmetic nearly 40 years since I got my first SLR but my dad put a camera in my hands much younger
If your Dad took that picture he certainly knew a lot and had a feel for composition.
Wonderful photograph
Yeah he was pretty good, a lot of the time he used to print contact prints from the 620 negs, photography was an expensive hobby back then and saving money with small prints was a good idea, it also provided some incredible results in terms of resolution and grain.
620.................Big
I really like the way he included the pavement in (I'm guessing) Liverpool.
There were so few cars back then.
Think I will encourage my daughter to take photos asap.
I used to give my Canon 450d to my wife's younger sister who is 8 years young.
It is so good and inexpensive to let the kids snap away to their heart's content.
Sometimes an interesting shot comes from this too
I'm a Scot Apo
That's a good point about giving the kids access to a camera early, my kids are just getting to the age I was back then, so I should try to encourage them too.
Even when very very young I was a techie, I was taking things apart and putting them back together when I was 4 or 5
And yes when learning kids can do some wonderful things sometimes!
Yeah 620 format was great basically the same as 120 but on my dad's camera the frame size was I think 6x9 cm, 120 film has a number of different frame sizes and is still in use even today.620.................Big
Ah just found this, it was 6x9, this was our best family camera for around ten years, the shot of me was taken on one of these.
http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kodak_Sterling_II
I forgot to mention the camera I was carrying was a Kodak Brownie 127 thing, I think it was a Kodak Brownie 127 model 1 from 1952 although I was still using it in the 60's, stuff used to last in those days
My own first SLR was one of these -
Praktica Nova 1B
I got that aged 13 and did my first wedding (my sister's) the following year.
Wow, I do remember those.My own first SLR was one of these -
Praktica Nova 1B
My first SLR was a Zenith. Do you remember those??
Before moving up to something better I bought plenty of lenses from fisheye to 500mm
and loads in between. Great stuff. Seem to remember my 500mm was Paragon or something sounding like that. Ha Ha. All cheap stuff but really great enjoyment.
I used to buy bulk B/W film and bulk 35mm Transparancy film. Load up the cassettes under the bedsheets.
My gosh I took thousands of photo's of just about everything.
After the Zenith I moved up to a Pentax ME super (cost me about £120 then)
Jim funny that you mention you did your sister wedding. I did my brothers wedding
Spent about 5 weeks solid in the darkroom doing all the prints. Said never again.
I remember that Pentax in 1975-76 I think. It was a toss up for me between the Canon AE-1 and the Pentax ME, I got the AE-1 in 1978 and have tinkered about since then..........After the Zenith I moved up to a Pentax ME super (cost me about £120 then)
Jim funny that you mention you did your sister wedding. I did my brothers wedding
Spent about 5 weeks solid in the darkroom doing all the prints. Said never again.
I tried a brownie when I was about 12 but it did not take the place of the football boots
I also went to my sisters wedding in the 80's and took lots of shots.
The camera man she hired told her at the end of the day that his camera broke and all was lost.
My sister wasn't that worried as I had taken some.
We had all been to the pub beforehand and I was horrified to find out that there was no film in there when I opened the back up
I can't compete on quality because I don't understand cameras and this is an old non-digital, but I just found this, the picture I kept by my bed when I was working away in Hong Kong and missing my 2 year- old cherub so much.
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Nice photo, Graham
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