Poppy Burners on trial

[Dedworth]

Poppy burning made my stomach turn over, says Armistice witness

Members of the public paying respects to the fallen on Armistice Day told a court today of their revulsion when Muslim protesters burned
poppies.

Mohammed Haque and Emdadur Choudhury went on trial today accused of public disorder by using "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour within the hearing or sight of people who would be harassed, alarmed or disturbed by it".

The incident happened during a two-minute silence close to the Royal Albert Hall where a Remembrance Day service was being held last November, the court heard.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ppy-burning.do

[keithAngel]

Poppy burning in Afganistan has been rather popular hadnt thought of that conection

Im personaly not keen on "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour within the hearing or sight of people who would be harassed, alarmed or disturbed by it" as an offence as it is rather a licence for arrest at will oftenly followed by de-arrest.

I wouldnt want some one arrested every time my stomache turns over

Lets see what the Magistrates decide

[scott&ligaya]

waste of time and money putting them on trial , just give them community service on an army base... see how long they last before meeting with a well deserved accident

[Dedworth]

'I will wear this fine as a badge on my shoulder': Shameless Muslim extremist dismisses £50 fine for Armistice Day poppy burning

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1FwUA1IU7

£50 quid fine pathetic - what kind of message does this send out to the scum. The DPP needs to appeal the sentence and the Judge should be given his P45

[bornatbirth]

'I will wear this fine as a badge on my shoulder': Shameless Muslim extremist dismisses £50 fine for Armistice Day poppy burning

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1FwUA1IU7

£50 quid fine pathetic - what kind of message does this send out to the scum. The DPP needs to appeal the sentence and the Judge should be given his P45

im glad to see dedworth so happy for a change

[Arthur Little]

I'd been going to say: 'Let's hope the Magistrate gives 'em a right ""!' But no such luck! One found "NOT GUILTY"? And the other fined a paltry fifty quid! God Almighty - or should I say, "*allah (note deliberate use of small-case *initial letter) be damned? - a car park attendant is empowered to slap penalty notices of [sometimes] twice that amount on the windscreens of vehicles ... whose owners "dare" to exceed the timespan of their automated ticket by as little as one minute!

[keithAngel]

The other one was found not guilty

Luckily we Brits have always stood for free speech

[Arthur Little]

im glad to see dedworth so happy for a change

I'm none too "happy", myself ... NOR - I would venture to opine - will the survivors/relatives of those killed or maimed in two World Wars be either!!!

[scott&ligaya]

this guy openly states that there is nothing he likes about the UK but sill takes £800 in benefits per month, he is a British citizen so there is little that the legal system can do... but what about natural justice, about what is right and just plain wrong... this case has just about finalised my thinking about getting the hell out of here just as soon as I can the only benefit this country can offer.. a UK passport for my honey so we can travel more easily.. 15 months and counting

[Dedworth]

The other one was found not guilty

Luckily we Brits have always stood for free speech

These germs are close to sedition and treason

[scott&ligaya]

free speech!!!! but not it seems if we might damage the sensitivities of the muslim community... I remember my ex wife an Irish brummie who told me a story from the early nineties when the locals complained about a PA system being used at the central mosque in Highgate to call the faithful to prayer. The mosque successfully argued to the powers at be that the church bells in the surrounding area were in the same category and the local churches were told to desist!!!!!! the rot of appeasement/too much tolerance started a long time ago....

[Dedworth]

free speech!!!!..

I'm not too keen on bed-wetting, Guardian reading, hand wringing, apologist liberals but Mr Angel should be given the freedom to air his bizarre opinions

[scott&ligaya]

actually I think I am just becoming more extreme in my views the longer I stay her in the UK. Must be connected somehow.

[Dedworth]

actually I think I am just becoming more extreme in my views the longer I stay her in the UK. Must be connected somehow.

The problem is we are surrounded by the crap all the time. I was talking to our neighbour earlier and she was livid about the outcome of the poppy burning case she didn't know that the grub hadn't even turned up for the verdict and sentence as "reading papers just makes my blood boil".

You will note that Mr Free Speech above has legged it from the UK

[Arthur Little]

You will note that Mr Free Speech above has legged it from the UK

I'd been going to say ...

... that particular fact hadn't escaped my notice ...

... but you beat me to it ...!

[bornatbirth]

should be given the freedom to air his bizarre opinions

exactly

The problem is we are surrounded by the crap all the time.

even reading this forum i cant escape it, thankfully we have you to keep us in the picture

[keithAngel]

The problem is we are surrounded by the crap all the time. I was talking to our neighbour earlier and she was livid about the outcome of the poppy burning case she didn't know that the grub hadn't even turned up for the verdict and sentence as "reading papers just makes my blood boil".

You will note that Mr Free Speech above has legged it from the UK

Thats because there are to many guys boiling in their own blood

[stevie c]

'I will wear this fine as a badge on my shoulder': Shameless Muslim extremist dismisses £50 fine for Armistice Day poppy burning

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1FwUA1IU7

£50 quid fine pathetic - what kind of message does this send out to the scum. The DPP needs to appeal the sentence and the Judge should be given his P45

Totally agree what a disgraceful decision makes my blood boil

[Dedworth]

Totally agree what a disgraceful decision makes my blood boil

Mr Free Speech can't see anything wrong in it

[stevie c]

yes so i see a strange outlook on life

[Dedworth]

yes so i see a strange outlook on life

Purely for research he ought to take his soap box down to Rizal Ave and abusively harangue Filipinos and Catholics

[keithAngel]

On the contrary they were charged tried one found guilty and punished the diference as I see it is that our justice system said £50 and you would idealy like them to be hung drawn and quartered at half time at your local sports stadium or just tarred and feathered if your feeling particularly jovial

Perhaps a more fitting punishment would be to be locked in a room and be forced to listen to you ranting on about whatever the daily Mail says next

Purely for research he ought to take his soap box down to Rizal Ave and abusively harangue Filipinos and Catholics

You would like it here free speach can get you killed more dangerous for journalists than iraq or afganistan

[Dedworth]

You would like it here free speach can get you killed more dangerous for journalists than iraq or afganistan

Makes it advisable for you to button your lips - ever thought of trying it on here ?

Talking about buttoned lips where's your fellow Chuckle Brother we've not had any gems from him for a while ?

[scott&ligaya]

You would like it here free speach can get you killed more dangerous for journalists than iraq or afganistan

have to agree with on that particular comment, only recently a radio journalist was gunned down on the outskirts of Puerto Princesa only yards from a shop my mahal uses regularly. His crime was to highlight mis use of public funds by the previous governer and being outspoken on environmental issues around mining/drilling

The issue for me is that WE choose to become resisdents of the Phils knowing what the country politics/socio economic and cultural norms are.. the UK has had a failed social experiment foisted upon it by liberal, left thinking, politically correct governments and educational activists.

What you are seeing here on this thread is relatively normal people GETTING FED UP and becoming more vocal and extreme in their views as the society they knew continues to disintegrate around them.

Granted Dedworth may be at the more extreme end but I see here more and more rational individuals at least partially agreeing wih him.

It is in fact sad that outfits like the English defence league and the BNP are even tolerated by society and the law, they are just as bad as any other form of extremism, but the fact THEY HAVE FLOURISHED should be a shame on all reasonable men. For evil to prevail it only takes GOOD men to do nothing. Wake up all reasonable men and reverse the trends before it is too late for the UK

[purple]

Respect for the country, its people and laws have totally gone. When they speak of morales etc.. it seems like its just a lip service.

Seldom you heard of people whose motives are truly patriotic as most are of personal greeds or maybe religious beliefs that made some people stuck up with logic and reason.

[keithAngel]

have to agree with on that particular comment, only recently a radio journalist was gunned down on the outskirts of Puerto Princesa only yards from a shop my mahal uses regularly. His crime was to highlight mis use of public funds by the previous governer and being outspoken on environmental issues around mining/drilling

The issue for me is that WE choose to become resisdents of the Phils knowing what the country politics/socio economic and cultural norms are.. the UK has had a failed social experiment foisted upon it by liberal, left thinking, politically correct governments and educational activists.

What you are seeing here on this thread is relatively normal people GETTING FED UP and becoming more vocal and extreme in their views as the society they knew continues to disintegrate around them.

Granted Dedworth may be at the more extreme end but I see here more and more rational individuals at least partially agreeing wih him.

It is in fact sad that outfits like the English defence league and the BNP are even tolerated by society and the law, they are just as bad as any other form of extremism, but the fact THEY HAVE FLOURISHED should be a shame on all reasonable men. For evil to prevail it only takes GOOD men to do nothing. Wake up all reasonable men and reverse the trends before it is too late for the UK

Great Post I agree there are many discussions we all need to have to decide the kind of society we want to live in ,the problem as I see it is that once the extremists get a voice they use that disatisfaction to forward their agendas of hatred and use emotion rather than reason to try to marginalise parts of our community.

I dont accept that here in the Phils any more than in Portugal or the UK keeping silent may simply facilitate the rise of facism that has always demonised ethnic groups as the untermensh We as a community who love our cross cultural relationships would be foolish to go down this route by claiming some kind of exemption to the rule off "us" & "them" that is the sole rallying cry of the master race.

I will never judge a group by the behaviour of an individual but each person I meet on there merits and I will never remain silent when foolishmen clamour for blood for some imagined slight or blind hatred. They should be ridiculed and given no hiding place amonst decent men of reason regardless of there place of birth or cultural persausion

[Dedworth]

Great Post I agree there are many discussions we all need to have to decide the kind of society we want to live in ,the problem as I see it is that once the extremists get a voice they use that disatisfaction to forward their agendas of hatred and use emotion rather than reason to try to marginalise parts of our community.

I dont accept that here in the Phils any more than in Portugal or the UK keeping silent may simply facilitate the rise of facism that has always demonised ethnic groups as the untermensh We as a community who love our cross cultural relationships would be foolish to go down this route by claiming some kind of exemption to the rule off "us" & "them" that is the sole rallying cry of the master race.

I will never judge a group by the behaviour of an individual but each person I meet on there merits and I will never remain silent when foolishmen clamour for blood for some imagined slight or blind hatred. They should be ridiculed and given no hiding place amonst decent men of reason regardless of there place of birth or cultural persausion

Very laudable.

For the sake of good order do you class the likes of Abu Hamza, Omar Bakari, Anjem Choudary and their followers as forwarders of "agendas of hatred" ? Have you had a chance yet to watch the C4 Dispatches: Lessons in Hatred and Violence yet ? - it's quite easy to find on YouTube

Just wondering .................

[gWaPito]

Sorry, im a little behind on this one. I read the story in the express.

It was sickening, where was our rent a mob when these scum were holding these sick messages.

We are the evil of ones yet not so bad to pick up our moneyfornothing welfare.

T hecountry is ruined, pay rates forced down because of the European expansion, ex eastern blockers happy to work for a sack of potatoes a day, all sharing the same beds, Our Brothers you say, we got more In common with Foo Mang Choo.

[Arthur Little]

Have you had a chance yet to watch the C4 Dispatches: Lessons in Hatred and Violence yet ? - it's quite easy to find on YouTube

Just wondering .................

NO POINT in resurrecting that "old chestnut" ... it has already stirred-up way too much ill-feeling among the membership. Consequently, the thread will remain CLOSED!

[keithAngel]

Deadworth every one who commits the crime of race hatred should be prosecuted and where possible treated with the contempt and ridicule they deserve that means everyone dead

Clear enough??