With 619 UK murders in 2010 (if that figure is correct) it's arguable whether a society which fails to have a deterrent which works, can be describes as 'civilised.Originally Posted by keithAngel
Guys much to your chargrin you still live in a civilised country
Of course to that figure one should add those who, but for a surgeons skill would also have died, and those who are permanently disabled. '
