Filipino's Executed

[branno]

You do surprise me Keith. I wonder if your children who are in the police force, share your views on soft sentences for drug trafficking?

Just imagine how many lives have been saved just by putting these 3 to bed.

These are murderers, mass murderers of whole families, families of the addicts.

i totally agree ...drugs of any form or substance destroys both yourself and families.. ive even seen drugs prescibed by huge pharmaceutical companies destroy people legally... but .. you can only sue them... tut tut

[Terpe]

.. ive even seen drugs prescibed by huge pharmaceutical companies destroy people legally... but .. you can only sue them... tut tut

branno, you've made the same statement in another thread on the same topic.
Look, I don' want to be picky, but pharmaceutical businesses do not prescribe drugs, that is down to a Doctor. The Doctor makes a choice based on a number of factors, one being legally available.

My point is this, if you have any insider knowledge that suggests that anyone in the supply chain , (manufacturer, NICE, Doctor etc) is doing something that they shouldn't then you need to go public with the facts.

Which prescribed drugs should not be allowed on the UK approved list?

[branno]

oops may be ive replied to a post in the wrong area.. as u see im not to bright on this sight yet...and ive worded that wrong re, the prescribed drugs by the companies.. ill just give one instance...thalidomide... which became one of the biggest medical tragedies of modern times... but yet this drug is still been prescribed in certain countries this day...

[Doc Alan]

...thalidomide... which became one of the biggest medical tragedies of modern times... but yet this drug is still been prescribed in certain countries this day...

Thalidomide was banned worldwide nearly 50 years ago as a sedative preventing morning sickness in pregnancy. It had been found to cause severe birth defects in around 12,000 children in many countries. The drug is indeed used today for very different reasons.
Its effects on the immune system, inflammation and blood vessels means that it is used with other drugs for multiple myeloma ( a bone marrow cancer) in the UK. It may also be used for complications of AIDS and leprosy.
Pregnancy must of course be ruled out for women of child-bearing potential before starting treatment. Men undergoing treatment also need to use condoms if their partner is pregnant or not using effective contraception. In fact drugs should be prescribed in pregnancy only if the benefit to the mother is expected to be greater than the risk to the fetus. No drug is safe beyond doubt in early pregnancy.
Adverse reactions and deaths from such reactions to prescription drugs are very carefully monitored these days. They only account for a third of deaths from drug usage recorded in the UK. Such deaths account for less than 1% of the total in the UK. Smoking causes around 20% and alcohol 2%. It is true that deaths indirectly caused by illegal drug usage and alcohol abuse, such as accidents, violence, and HIV infection, may not be recorded as due to those agents.
As always, I don't sit in judgement, but try to provide facts as accurately as they are known, so members may form their own opinions.

[Manila_Paul]

If there were no users, there would be no dealers. if there was no dealers there would be no users

Not true. Where is the dealer in the situation of people producing for their own personal use? This is how many dealers start out and from where all initial drugs use stems. Whereas if everyone decides not to take or stops taking illegal drugs in the first place, you can't deal to anyone. Demand creates supply, not the other way around. Of course, we're always going to have drugs and drug users but the question is: what is the best approach to managing the situation? I think our approach is pretty crap because in truth, we've got no real conviction with regards to drugs. This idea of users as victims just illustrates the point.

while treating moronic, self-destructive drug-users as victims.

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resource...ple-take-drugs.

Probably some truth in all those reasons but missing a major one perhaps: a criminal justice system that doesn't take possession seriously enough. So the vicious circle just continues for many users. They use, they get caught for possession, they aren't punished harshly (or at all), they continue to use. Whereas in many cases, a long custodial sentence with no access to drugs, may have been a far better bet.

[joebloggs]

Not true. Where is the dealer in the situation of people producing for their own personal use? .

so how many people produce heroin for their own use, soon as they give it or sell it to someone else their a dealer.


i thought it was easier to get drugs in prison that the outside

[Manila_Paul]

so how many people produce heroin for their own use, soon as they give it or sell it to someone else their a dealer.

Not many but loads of dealers started out producing a bit of cannabis for their own personal use. The same with pills. Ravers were producing it for themselves, then started dealing. Fact remains, we're always going to have drug users, with or without dealers. It doesn't work the other way around. If there was no demand there can be no supply.

i thought it was easier to get drugs in prison that the outside

It's not hard, by all accounts. Just part of the problem. Slap on the wrist or community sentences and then eventually when they send you down, you're still able to get the drugs. It is a case for sorting prisons out, not for not sending people guilty of possessing drugs to prison!

[branno]

the facts are appreciated too doc.

[gWaPito]

oops may be ive replied to a post in the wrong area.. as u see im not to bright on this sight yet...and ive worded that wrong re, the prescribed drugs by the companies.. ill just give one instance...thalidomide... which became one of the biggest medical tragedies of modern times... but yet this drug is still been prescribed in certain countries this day...

My mother was offered Thalidomide while she was carrying me. She never took up the offer.

My friend Leo was not so fortunate, his mum did which caused him to contract polio.

[Doc Alan]

My mother was offered Thalidomide while she was carrying me. She never took up the offer.

My friend Leo was not so fortunate, his mum did which caused him to contract polio.

It was lucky your Mum did not take thalidomide . You might like to read my post on it. One birth defect caused by thalidomide was phocomelia ( shortened limbs), but there are also other causes.
I'm sorry to know about your friend Leo. However, polio is caused by a virus. Have a look at my thread "Good news about polio" in the "Travel, Tips and Advice" section. No drug causes polio and there is no drug to treat it. Thankfully the vaccine has ensured that Europe and the Philippines have been polio free for about a decade

[KeithD]

It was lucky your Mum did not take

Going by some of his posts I think she did but never told him

[scott&ligaya]

Going by some of his posts I think she did but never told him

hmmmmm, come on Boss, your humour is usually of a higher quality, bit playgroundish and offenive in my opinion.