human rights...

[JimOttley]

That should not be a shock Gwap it's been well known and published for a hell of a long time, the rate will increase with time as the older you get the poorer your DNA replication becomes i.e. the more mistakes are made in each new copy of a cell, think photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, they look like crap by the time you get to the third or fourth iteration. As more and more people live to great age the more cancer will be the ultimate cause of death.

And the reason you get old is exactly the same, cells make mistakes, skin becomes less elastic, hair follicles become less prolific, hormones levels change because the glands making them change, cancer happens ultimately because cells make mistakes, sometime serious mistakes, when making copies of themselves, it's life you just have to accept it, generally we are living longer so more of us will die of cancer.

You should also understand that controlled drugs still have a place in medicine, controlled drugs can still be therapeutic.

[gWaPito]

That should not be a shock Gwap it's been well known and published for a hell of a long time, the rate will increase with time as the older you get the poorer your DNA replication becomes i.e. the more mistakes are made in each new copy of a cell, think photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, they look like crap by the time you get to the third or fourth iteration. As more and more people live to great age the more cancer will be the ultimate cause of death.

And the reason you get old is exactly the same, cells make mistakes, skin becomes less elastic, hair follicles become less prolific, hormones levels change because the glands making them change, cancer happens ultimately because cells make mistakes, sometime serious mistakes, when making copies of themselves, it's life you just have to accept it, generally we are living longer so more of us will die of cancer.

You should also understand that controlled drugs still have a place in medicine, controlled drugs can still be therapeutic.

Points taken Jim and Joe
We all gotta die somewhen so, why not cancer.

I got nothing against prescribed drugs, its the mis prescribing I gotta problem with.

As for street drugs, that's another matter.

[Doc Alan]

Points taken Jim and Joe
We all gotta die somewhen so, why not cancer.

I got nothing against prescribed drugs, its the mis prescribing I gotta problem with.

As for street drugs, that's another matter.

I did actually make a few points and gave the facts, not opinions, on all these three issues you raise, to help you and others.
Most ( not all ) people wish for a long life and to die from natural causes peacefully at home, surrounded by their loved ones. That's a desirable human right. Cancer, with all the associated pain and suffering, is not an ideal choice, and individuals can reduce their chances of getting it.
Apart from natural causes (the commonest), there are only three other ways to die : suicide, homicide, and misadventure. Sadly drugs ( legal and illegal ) do contribute to these. Mis-prescribing by doctors is regrettable, not part of our Hippocratic Oath, but thankfully uncommon.

[Doc Alan]

Since you ask, it is estimated that 10 million new cases of cancer are diagnosed each year in the world, with 1/8 deaths worldwide. I've already given this sort of information in "Health Issues". The figures I quoted were for UK and Philippines. I do wonder how many times, and in how many threads, I need to repeat the information. The issues around drugs have also been discussed many times in the past year. If the solution was as straightforward as some seem to believe, there would not be different laws around the world. There are indeed "thousands upon thousands of deaths" from drug abuse, albeit a tiny fraction of the millions dying in the world from heart disease ( more than cancer), smoking and alcohol abuse. There are a million preventable deaths annually from malaria. The list goes on.
The issue is not just the relative numbers involved, but also the means by which illness and death from ANY cause can be reduced. Every single death is a tragedy, all the more so if it is premature. But until the unlikely scenario of cryopreservation being widespread, the best we can hope for is increased life expectancy in our two countries. That depends on individuals as well as Governments.

[fred]

Capital punishment in the the Philippines has a varied history and was abolished on June 24, 2006 (the second time since 1987).

well last time i went to the phils was 2005 i think , a pic of the landing card, death penalty at the bottom

So that's why you saw it on the boarding card in 2005!!
I personally would prefer a death sentence than life imprisonment in a Filipino or Chinese gaol.
IMO the dealers that organise the mules are the ones that should be tracked down and put to death..
Ironically most of them are Chinese businessmen funding Chinese syndicates operating in the Philippines that are all living the high life whilst they send the stupid uneducated and desperately poor mules over to their deaths..

Executing a few of these insignificant drug traffickers will do nothing to resolve the problem..IMO it will make it worse as these illegal drugs will simply go up in value due to the higher risks in transporting it.
In the medium to long term it will make these Chinese drug syndicates far more powerful then they are today.
My sympathies go out to the families of those executed.

[joebloggs]

So that's why you saw it on the boarding card in 2005!!

i'm sure I've also seen a sign at the airport b4 you get to immigration ..

yes i agree with you, mules are the mugs, their not the big fish, but if the gang can't get the mules then these gangs would have to do it themselves and risk getting caught.

the phils has got its own drug problems, no where is safe for kids

[branno]

So that's why you saw it on the boarding card in 2005!!
I personally would prefer a death sentence than life imprisonment in a Filipino or Chinese gaol.
IMO the dealers that organise the mules are the ones that should be tracked down and put to death..
Ironically most of them are Chinese businessmen funding Chinese syndicates operating in the Philippines that are all living the high life whilst they send the stupid uneducated and desperately poor mules over to their deaths..

Executing a few of these insignificant drug traffickers will do nothing to resolve the problem..IMO it will make it worse as these illegal drugs will simply go up in value due to the higher risks in transporting it.
In the medium to long term it will make these Chinese drug syndicates far more powerful then they are today.
My sympathies go out to the families of those executed.

thats where my sympathy lies too...

[gWaPito]

These drug trafficers are not all uneducated types.

T hey gamble with there liberty for riches they would have to work years for in the normal conventional way, like most law abiding people.

I do understand your sympathies towards the families concerned.

A shame the convicted didn't spare a thought for there loved ones before embarking on an adventure of folly.

[Doc Alan]

I know how busy members are, but when I answer the questions they raise in their posts, only to have them ignored, it raises a bigger question in my mind, why bother ?

[joebloggs]

I know how busy members are, but when I answer the questions they raise in their posts, only to have them ignored, it raises a bigger question in my mind, why bother ?

doc alan, i read all your posts, your a good doc not to criticize people

[imagine]

I know how busy members are, but when I answer the questions they raise in their posts, only to have them ignored, it raises a bigger question in my mind, why bother ?

your posts are always filled with interesting facts and figures, good reading

[branno]

its nice reading ur replies doc..... but i too think the thread went off at a different trajectory...incidently ive just been reading an article on human rights in china.. and as of 2008 china is still the country with the highest number of executions 1,718 people were executed...there are 68 crimes punishable by death.. and one is for tax fraud... ouch..

[keithAngel]

The problem is guys that nomatter what you think or say your kids and grandkids lives are not yours to make desisions about beyond the love and guidance you have found in yourselves to give them and that they are able to recieve.

The way things stand now in mho it less safe each day and clearly no amount of executions or wishfull thinking on anyones part will change it

We are potentialy rational humans but fear and greed seem to have made us collectively dumb beyond belief

[gWaPito]

The problem is guys that nomatter what you think or say your kids and grandkids lives are not yours to make desisions about beyond the love and guidance you have found in yourselves to give them and that they are able to recieve.

The way things stand now in mho it less safe each day and clearly no amount of executions or wishfull thinking on anyones part will change it

We are potentialy rational humans but fear and greed seem to have made us collectively dumb beyond belief

I take it, the last sentence was directed towards the dealers and trafficers?

I know Keith, we can't lead our childrens lives but, its a lot easier said than done.

You've been extremely lucky with yours and it is luck keith, many a good parent like yourself have lost because of this evil.

[keithAngel]

Gwap im sure with the brains we both have if we set our minds to it the pool of naive desperate folks just in the Phils would supply an endless stream of ordinary folk who would believe whatever we tell them if they thought they could improve the lot of there families

[joebloggs]

Gwap im sure with the brains we both have if we set our minds to it the pool of naive desperate folks just in the Phils would supply an endless stream of ordinary folk who would believe whatever we tell them if they thought they could improve the lot of there families

so what is your answer then Keith ?

i would have rather they got life in prison than be executed, but it means they will never be able to smuggle drugs again, and a warning to others, get caught it will cost you your life.

[keithAngel]

What they want Joe is the ability to work and put rice on the table just like us

[joebloggs]

What they want Joe is the ability to work and put rice on the table just like us

i was talking about the drugs problem,
but no one is stopping them working, many in the phils work, yes they work for little thou, but most earn enough to put rice on the tablet without the need to commit crimes it comes down to greed and not giving a about the results of their crimes..

[gWaPito]

What they want Joe is the ability to work and put rice on the table just like us

The winds of change blowing a typhoon through North Africa could do well heading towards the China seas making land fall on The Philippines.

They missed there window of opportunity with the Americans 50 odd years ago, surely it's there time again to turn things around.

[keithAngel]

there was a strong suggestion in the china case they were recruted by a duff agent and thought they had jobs to go to

[branno]

and the chinese govenment have admitted that they are fully aware of the chinese drug dealers involved... but i dont think they wil get invloved with those big boys in the mafia world...

[fred]

and the chinese govenment have admitted that they are fully aware of the chinese drug dealers involved... but i dont think they wil get invloved with those big boys in the mafia world...

Exactly!! But they will continue to execute duped mules to make it look as if something is being done!!
Some people are so damned gullible!!

[keithAngel]

Exactly!! But they will continue to execute duped mules to make it look as if something is being done!!
Some people are so damned gullible!!

Couldnt agree more Fred

[keithAngel]

Dont rock the boat the supply of guini pigs is endless

[branno]

so true

[joebloggs]

Dont rock the boat the supply of guini pigs is endless

human ones, start with those overflowing prisons

[branno]

ive just read that in 2009 the chinese executed nearly two thousand people.. an average of 40 each week.. 68 crimes are punishable by death.. one is tax fraud... pheww

[Dr Graham]

If we measure the "Evilness" of Drugs by the Deaths and Misery they cause, and the Cost to the Nation for "Repairing the Damage they Cause", then NOTHING comes close to Nicotine or Alcohol.

TENS OF THOUSANDS of people in the UK DIE EACH YEAR as a result of the Cancers Caused by Cigarette Smoking, and Nicotine is also one of the MOST NARCOTIC DRUGS there are !

Alcohol also causes TENS of THOUSANDS of DEATHS EACH YEAR, and through the Road Traffic Accidents caused by Drunk Drivers, many of it's Victims are Young Children and people who may never have drunk a single drop of Alcohol in their lives !

Even if we IGNORE the all the "Deaths through Disease" that Nicotine causes, it's still responsible for MORE DEATHS than ALL Class A, B and C Drugs ADDED TOGETHER ! ...... because "Carelessly Discarded Cigarettes" is the Largest Single Cause of Domestic Fires in the UK.

People "Under the Influence of Alcohol" cause the NHS Hundreds of MILLIONS of POUNDS EVERY YEAR, not just for their own treatment, but also for the treatment of all their Fight Victims, and the cost of Damage caused to Premises and Business by Drunks, runs into BILLIONS !!!

[branno]

If we measure the "Evilness" of Drugs by the Deaths and Misery they cause, and the Cost to the Nation for "Repairing the Damage they Cause", then NOTHING comes close to Nicotine or Alcohol.

TENS OF THOUSANDS of people in the UK DIE EACH YEAR as a result of the Cancers Caused by Cigarette Smoking, and Nicotine is also one of the MOST NARCOTIC DRUGS there are !

Alcohol also causes TENS of THOUSANDS of DEATHS EACH YEAR, and through the Road Traffic Accidents caused by Drunk Drivers, many of it's Victims are Young Children and people who may never have drunk a single drop of Alcohol in their lives !

Even if we IGNORE the all the "Deaths through Disease" that Nicotine causes, it's still responsible for MORE DEATHS than ALL Class A, B and C Drugs ADDED TOGETHER ! ...... because "Carelessly Discarded Cigarettes" is the Largest Single Cause of Domestic Fires in the UK.

People "Under the Influence of Alcohol" cause the NHS Hundreds of MILLIONS of POUNDS EVERY YEAR, not just for their own treatment, but also for the treatment of all their Fight Victims, and the cost of Damage caused to Premises and Business by Drunks, runs into BILLIONS !!!

and your point is doc ...?

[branno]

may i ask... wot does a war cost... ?