Reference some of the 1970/80/90's Yah Booing posts above. I think we need a history lesson here - in 1976 the country was on the verge of bankrupcy and the then Labour Govt made application to the IMF for the biggest ever bailout they'd been asked for $4 billion. It was only because of North Sea Oil revenues kicking in over the next couple of years that not all the loan was taken up. There then followed the Winter of Discontent fuelled by Labour/IMF Public Sector pay freezes and cuts.
The Tories WON the election, they decided to enter into a coalitionOriginally Posted by Manila_Paul
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It's not just a matter of inflation though is it ?As far as I can see from the stats, after a relatively long period of low inflation after the war, it first got out of control under the Heath/Barbour government in the early 70s. It hit 27% at one point!No wonder the unions were recommending strike action to their members! And no wonder when Heath asked 'who governs' the electorate said 'well, not you mate... on your bike!'. Then after a period of struggling with it, Labour got it under control again by the late 70s before it galloped off again under Thatcher. To be fair to her, the stats show it then falling but it was increasing by the time she left office in 1990: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBAS...9&More=N&All=Y
To me, I really don't see where the Tories rep for economic competence comes from. I would say it is more to do with the fact that they've been lucky enough not to be in power during the major global economic crisis of the last 30-40 years. And when they have been in power during the good times, they truly haven't fixed the leaking roof. Our infrasture is in a bad way. It is embarrassing to compare with places like Germany or Norway. Far too much was squandered on tax cuts for the super rich when those tax revenues could have been used to invest in the future of our country.
How much is and was the country left in debt by preceding govts. ?
Both Callaghan and Bliar left the Tories a right mess to clear up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...the-books.html
Believe me, I remember very well what life was like back then, and how things have changed since.
Poll tax for instance:
As a single person using minimal services I was all for it.
Why should I pay for everyone else ? I already paid higher taxes at that time.
The current system was designed to encourage breeding, dependence and irresponsibility, to facilitate divorce and single parenthood, and no longer to recognise the stability of marriage....hence how society has ended up today.
Very well put Graham and Dedworth
I wonder how many of us experienced living through the 3 day working week?It's not just a matter of inflation though is it ?
How much is and was the country left in debt by preceding govts. ?
Both Callaghan and Bliar left the Tories a right mess to clear up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...the-books.html
Believe me, I remember very well what life was like back then, and how things have changed since.
Poll tax for instance:
As a single person using minimal services I was all for it.
Why should I pay for everyone else ? I already paid higher taxes at that time.
The current system was designed to encourage breeding, dependence and irresponsibility, to facilitate divorce and single parenthood, and no longer to recognise the stability of marriage....hence how society has ended up today.
I wonder how many of us experienced living through the power cuts? (black outs)
Those were very dark days, believe me.
The unions of that era brought the country to its knees.
We have hard times now granted. It's nothing like it was back in the mid seventies.
The ultra militant Union bosses did more to destroy British manufacturing than any thing any Political leaders or CEO's with a big cost cutting axe could have done. BL, Ford and Vauxhall were crippled by strikes and poor workmanship, it's no wonder that Ford and GM moved some of their manufacturing at the time to Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium - not because it was cheaper, but because the job would get done without strike interference and would be done to a higher standard. British motor manufacturing was once the envy of the world, but in the 70's it became a laughing stock and gave the Japanese a clear run to dominate the British market with their well built cars.
an excellent perception and totally correct in my opinion. Says it all really.
The current system was designed to encourage breeding, dependence and irresponsibility, to facilitate divorce and single parenthood, and no longer to recognise the stability of marriage....hence how society has ended up today.
Live your life for a reason and don't worry be happy
if you don't know where you are going then any road will do!!
The political leaders at the time, labour could done what Thatcher did. Drop the axe on them.
The buck stops with the government of the day.
It weren't the unions, they just wanted a fair days pay for a honest days work. Ted teeth then thatcher decimated the trade, then destroyed what was left of the working mans life. Yes I remember the 3 day and all the strikes. WHAT AGOVERNMENT THAT WAS
all i say is ... vote labour and vote for a better England... i blame archer...
'Honest days work' ?
Hahahahaahaaha !
My friend I have worked continental shifts on the factory floor and on construction sites doing manual work, worked for the govt, as a sales rep and manager for half a dozen blue chip companies, run my own shop, and also had many years of self-employment.
Believe me, a lot of those lazy devils at BL, etc needed sacking, because they (and a lot of other people in this country) had no idea what an 'honest days work' was.
The unions spread the disease of 35% pay demands because they were jealous of people with brains and application, and in doing so came near to ruining this country.
Meanwhile in Germany and Japan they were buckling down to work and earning what was put into their pay packets by actually producing what the management asked of them, instead of whinging and whining about what the man next door got.
Yes I was there when we had the 3 day week, AND the postal and power strikes, AND the dustmen strike, AND all the other strikes.
I was busy working, and grateful to have a job and a comparatively easy life in a 1st world country.
If it had been left to the union leaders we'd have gone communist.
What good did that do the Eastern Bloc ?
....and WHAT is a working man ?
Y oujust described 'him' Graham. Im proud to be one of those types'Honest days work' ?
Hahahahaahaaha !
My friend I have worked continental shifts on the factory floor and on construction sites doing manual work, worked for the govt, as a sales rep and manager for half a dozen blue chip companies, run my own shop, and also had many years of self-employment.
Believe me, a lot of those lazy devils at BL, etc needed sacking, because they (and a lot of other people in this country) had no idea what an 'honest days work' was.
The unions spread the disease of 35% pay demands because they were jealous of people with brains and application, and in doing so came near to ruining this country.
Meanwhile in Germany and Japan they were buckling down to work and earning what was put into their pay packets by actually producing what the management asked of them, instead of whinging and whining about what the man next door got.
Yes I was there when we had the 3 day week, AND the postal and power strikes, AND the dustmen strike, AND all the other strikes.
I was busy working, and grateful to have a job and a comparatively easy life in a 1st world country.
If it had been left to the union leaders we'd have gone communist.
What good did that do the Eastern Bloc ?
....and WHAT is a working man ?
archer was too busy having sex on car park floors.all i say is ... vote labour and vote for a better England
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I'm sure you are mate. ...hard-working I mean.
Me, just a grumpy old man now by the looks of it.
thatcher and pinochet.. phewww ... lets test chile see how they react... then we can cope with the working class in england.. if it goes wrong we will give the police a wage rise to support us... sod the nurses and and army..
Hmm, Rob ... "there's none so blind as those who can't - or won't - see"!all i say is ... vote labour and vote for a better EnglandThink you'd do well to change that avatar of yours.
nahhh we all just dont agree with politics .. but i wont argue over religion ha haI'm sure you are mate. ...hard-working I mean.
Me, just a grumpy old man now by the looks of it.
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10 hour shifts in 35C and no aircon:
Then over 2 hours travel each way to 'home sweet home'.... dormitory shared with 6 people.
That was one of my easier construction jobs.
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i have changed it..Hmm, Rob ... "there's none so blind as those who can't - or won't - see"!
he had it all...the art collection,country residence, fragrant wife,and a lovely skeleton in his cupboard..oops and insulated rubber... and embittered friends... oh dear me ... sir geofry how cud you...
i have changed it..... it's just that somehow the present one seems to reflect your political leanings.
Methinks you'll find the errant Sir Jeffrey was more favourably disposed towardshe had it all ... oh dear me ... sir geofry how cud you...... as opposed to
at the moment im leaning against a wall, trying to catch my breath.. and preppare for the horrors this government is going to inflict upon us...
I still saw the remains of the bad old days of rigid demarcation in 1984 when I was a new graduate start at what was then Austin Rover at Longbridge. I had used a "ferry car" to go to a meeting in the old East works. When coming out I noticed a pallet with some components was directly in the way of me reversing the car out to return to my office. There was a forklift nearby and as I had just finished summer work at an ice cream factory in Aberdeen and had a current FLT liscence I just got in and moved it. A driver then appeared and told me that there would have to be an inquiry as to why a non unionised white collar worker dove the truck and there may have to be a protest about it resulting in a withdrawal of labour
I though the was winding up the new graduate and politely told him to go and screw himself and drove off.
i was brought to my boss later that day and told to aplogise to the driver. What the F@CK!!!!
Live your life for a reason and don't worry be happy
if you don't know where you are going then any road will do!!
i some how think that david slimey blaberon cameron wouldnt appreciate you doing his job either..do youI still saw the remains of the bad old days of rigid demarcation in 1984 when I was a new graduate start at what was then Austin Rover at Longbridge. I had used a "ferry car" to go to a meeting in the old East works. When coming out I noticed a pallet with some components was directly in the way of me reversing the car out to return to my office. There was a forklift nearby and as I had just finished summer work at an ice cream factory in Aberdeen and had a current FLT liscence I just got in and moved it. A driver then appeared and told me that there would have to be an inquiry as to why a non unionised white collar worker dove the truck and there may have to be a protest about it resulting in a withdrawal of labour
I though the was winding up the new graduate and politely told him to go and screw himself and drove off.
i was brought to my boss later that day and told to aplogise to the driver. What the F@CK!!!!
You need a nice young womanI'm sure you are mate. ...hard-working I mean.
Me, just a grumpy old man now by the looks of it.
I felt older when I turn't 40 ! That was 10 years ago.
Is it any surprise that shower ended up in the dustbin ? Who took it on BAe, BMW, Some Spivs milking Govt Grants then the Chinkies nipped in bought the remnants for a song grabbed the tooling for a pittance and pissed offI still saw the remains of the bad old days of rigid demarcation in 1984 when I was a new graduate start at what was then Austin Rover at Longbridge. I had used a "ferry car" to go to a meeting in the old East works. When coming out I noticed a pallet with some components was directly in the way of me reversing the car out to return to my office. There was a forklift nearby and as I had just finished summer work at an ice cream factory in Aberdeen and had a current FLT liscence I just got in and moved it. A driver then appeared and told me that there would have to be an inquiry as to why a non unionised white collar worker dove the truck and there may have to be a protest about it resulting in a withdrawal of labour
I though the was winding up the new graduate and politely told him to go and screw himself and drove off.
i was brought to my boss later that day and told to aplogise to the driver. What the F@CK!!!!
Actually the current owner of the MG brand SAIC is investing at what is left there at Longbridge and slowly recruiting again,... in fact having spent several years working in China out of Hong Kong and having Chinese language skills I was recently approached about WORKING THERE AGAIN. How freaky is that 24 years after leaving there!!!!
Live your life for a reason and don't worry be happy
if you don't know where you are going then any road will do!!
I hope it works out for the slowly recruited ones and they don't follow the self destruct attitude of theier predecessorsActually the current owner of the MG brand SAIC is investing at what is left there at Longbridge and slowly recruiting again,... in fact having spent several years working in China out of Hong Kong and having Chinese language skills I was recently approached about WORKING THERE AGAIN. How freaky is that 24 years after leaving there!!!!
just a sweet word of advice... please dont ever touch my tools... even if its only to open those sticky mg doors..Actually the current owner of the MG brand SAIC is investing at what is left there at Longbridge and slowly recruiting again,... in fact having spent several years working in China out of Hong Kong and having Chinese language skills I was recently approached about WORKING THERE AGAIN. How freaky is that 24 years after leaving there!!!!
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