Modern Family

[raynaputi]

I don't have problems with gays or lesbians..I've got gay friends and never had problems with them and they're even the best company i've had at times..they're still people who wish not to be discriminated because of their sexual orientation..Like what Doc Al said, it's not an illness nor a disease..

[Terpe]

There may be up to 10% of the world's population are homosexual. No one knows for certain - President Ahmedinejad claims there are none in Iran - but it's probably a similar proportion in most countries.
I neither have time nor inclination to watch "Modern Family", "Brokeback Mountain", lesbian porn, or read the bible.
However most enlightened people, including doctors, realise
it's not an illness. No one knows for sure what determines sexual orientation. There are certainly health consequences - although AIDS for example is commoner in heterosexuals in the UK - and verbal or physical violence. Doctors treat the consequences but would not attempt to change sexual orientation without informed consent.
The majority of homosexuals are not high profile like Elton John and David Furnish. I have friends here and in the Philippines who are homosexual - I don't consider myself trendy by having such friends. They don't attempt to change my heterosexual orientation.
Many people change their views and become more tolerant if they actually know homosexuals, and it's not uncommon for them to change their views when they discover a member of their own family is gay - worse could happen.

Sensible stuff Doc. Well said.

[Walaytawo]

Sure, it may not be a disease, but weren't we built to reproduce? So in theory we should only be attracted to the opposite sex. If it comes down to just being an attraction thing, what we prefer, does that also mean that pedophilia and bestiality are ok too then

[grahamw48]

Sure, it may not be a disease, but weren't we built to reproduce? So in theory we should only be attracted to the opposite sex. If it comes down to just being an attraction thing, what we prefer, does that also mean that pedophilia and bestiality are ok too then

Exactly.

I have gay friends too (I'm not THAT divorced from the real world ).

What I find annoying is the totally out of proportion publicity and the almost 'promoting' of gay rights,issues etc...constant pressure for us to accept them and their lifestyle.

We all have a right to OUR opinions, and any amount of PC nonsense cannot alter the fact that the other 90% of the population are 'wired' as nature intended, and it is also perfectly natural for people to want to reject what they (correctly) perceive to be behaviour that doesn't conform to convention.

I'm not asking for gays and lesbians etc to be hounded or beaten to death, or discriminated in any way.

I just wish they would stop whining, and understand that a lot of people DO find their sexual activities repugnant.

Live with it.

[bornatbirth]

this thread is just about a tv show

[subseastu]

this thread is just about a tv show

Beat me to it sir, things do seem to get blown up out of proportion on here recently on what I would consider light hearted posts.

[Arthur Little]

this thread is just about a tv show

Yes, I know that ... and I, for one, haven't seen it! But WHY do the TV programme producers habitually feel the urge to focus so much on the "seamier" aspects of humanity?

[Tawi2]

Nothing against the third sex,but nowt can persuade me its natural,its the overtly camp ones who overplay the drama-queen feminine part and make Julian Clary seem masculine that I cant abide

[fred]

Exactly.

I have gay friends too (I'm not THAT divorced from the real world ).

What I find annoying is the totally out of proportion publicity and the almost 'promoting' of gay rights,issues etc...constant pressure for us to accept them and their lifestyle.

We all have a right to OUR opinions, and any amount of PC nonsense cannot alter the fact that the other 90% of the population are 'wired' as nature intended, and it is also perfectly natural for people to want to reject what they (correctly) perceive to be behaviour that doesn't conform to convention.

I'm not asking for gays and lesbians etc to be hounded or beaten to death, or discriminated in any way.

I just wish they would stop whining, and understand that a lot of people DO find their sexual activities repugnant.

Live with it.

I pretty much agree with everything Graham said..

Although I wonder about the dodgy wiring thing though.
If as Doc says,we cant fix their wiring,what else is there to do?
Many may have the attitude of walatayo but if one of our own kids came out and had the guts to tell us their wiring was bent what would we do then?
I say I love my 3 kids unconditionally..
How much of a hypocrite would I be if I dumped anyone of them instantly just because they told me they were unrepairablely gay or with bent emotional or sexual wiring?
I rather think that I would support them and physically fight anyone that wants to hurt them..
Just my initial thoughts.

[grahamw48]

this thread is just about a tv show

Ah...trying to stifle healthy debate again ?

[grahamw48]

If my boy had turned out to be gay, well of course I wouldn't reject or stop loving him.

There are still degrees of behaviour though.

Just as our daughters could turn out to be prim and proper young ladies, or Lap Dancers.

[bornatbirth]

Ah...trying to stifle healthy debate again ?

whats healthy about it, i can't condone some of the views in this thread or willing to give good rep for any too!

im about to go and a nice walk in the park with my wife, be back later

[fred]

whats healthy about it, i can't condone some of the views in this thread or willing to give good rep for any too!

im about to go and a nice walk in the park with my wife, be back later

Careful in those UK parks... You never know what might jump out behind a tree!!

[fred]

Just as our daughters could turn out to be prim and proper young ladies, or Lap Dancers.

Bad analogy IMO..
Id rather my daugter tell me she was a lap dancer than a lezzy any day of the week..

[Arthur Little]

I pretty much agree with everything Graham said..

... and me, Fred. But ...

if one of our own kids came out and had the guts to tell us their wiring was bent what would we do then?

... ! My daughter mentioned just recently, that my wee grandson seemed more preoccupied with his wee sister's dolls than some of his own [dare I say?] "boys' toys". And I remember thinking: "well ... as long as he's HEALTHY ... ... it doesn't matter a damn!" So ... from that perspective ... MY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE overrides any bias I might've expressed here earlier - as I'm sure WOULD be the case in most families.

I say I love my 3 kids unconditionally ..

... and rightly so, !

[KeithD]

My lads not gay .... such a waste

Wasn't the first prime time lezzer kiss that bird in Brookside?

[Arthur Little]

Wasn't the first prime time lezzer kiss that bird in Brookside?

Brookside ... ... used to follow that Channel 4 "soap" regularly - and really miss it nowadays!

[gWaPito]

Sure, it may not be a disease, but weren't we built to reproduce? So in theory we should only be attracted to the opposite sex. If it comes down to just being an attraction thing, what we prefer, does that also mean that pedophilia and bestiality are ok too then

I agree. If its hip to be bent then it s fair game for the kiddie fiddlers after all, they cant help there sexual preferences.
Thats using the same analogy as the ' for it, live and let live' camp.

As for turning our backs on our flesh and blood because they were gay, I dont think so. Even if they were the worse of the worse, we'd still love them.

Im not a gay hater! Its about irresponsible tv producers making it look glamorous and normal. Its not.

[aposhark]

I agree Arthur. It turns my guts, truth be known.
You see those mincers John and Fernish in the papers with there baby Son. Its really all wrong.
L ookat George Michael when he got caught soliciting in some public lavatories. He became a hero of the people after that. Goodness knows what his family thought of it. hes done much worse since.

Modern family ....... Do me a favour.

Love Thy Neighbour, gwap

[gWaPito]

graham, as a mod i can see everything and i do wish you would lighten up

You must be one of the privileged enlightened ones on here

[les_taxi]

I have nothing against gays know one and he is a decent guy.
But it's certainly not the 'norm' and I'm a modern man but i don't think it's cool to be a gay

We are on the site that is all about our lovely Filipino ladies now were talking

[aposhark]

There may be up to 10% of the world's population are homosexual. No one knows for certain - President Ahmedinejad claims there are none in Iran - but it's probably a similar proportion in most countries.
I neither have time nor inclination to watch "Modern Family", "Brokeback Mountain", lesbian porn, or read the bible.
However most enlightened people, including doctors, realise
it's not an illness. No one knows for sure what determines sexual orientation. There are certainly health consequences - although AIDS for example is commoner in heterosexuals in the UK - and verbal or physical violence. Doctors treat the consequences but would not attempt to change sexual orientation without informed consent.
The majority of homosexuals are not high profile like Elton John and David Furnish. I have friends here and in the Philippines who are homosexual - I don't consider myself trendy by having such friends. They don't attempt to change my heterosexual orientation.
Many people change their views and become more tolerant if they actually know homosexuals, and it's not uncommon for them to change their views when they discover a member of their own family is gay - worse could happen.

Well said Doc Alan
Modern Family is a great show and yes, shock horror, there are gays in the world

[grahamw48]

Bad analogy IMO..
Id rather my daugter tell me she was a lap dancer than a lezzy any day of the week..

No, you misunderstood my statement.

I was giving an example of DEGREES of difference in sexual behaviour...not in sexuality.

[Arthur Little]

Regarding homosexuality and lesbianism ... far from condemning those who're "that way inclined" as necessarily being bad people, WE s belong to a generation when such "capers" were carried on privately -*behind [*scuse pun] closed doors, so to speak - instead of being flaunted at every turn ... as if it were some "trendy new cult" and/or perfectly normal behaviour - which it most definitely is NOT! ...

... that's the basis of our objection(s).

[grahamw48]

Well summed up Arthur. Thanks.

Oh, and I'm sick of being urged to 'move with the times' etc.

Movement (and standards) can go in both directions.

For instance, does anyone honestly think that the high street on a weekend evening is a better place to be than it was ?

[KeithD]

I agree. If its hip to be bent then it s fair game for the kiddie fiddlers

How the hell do you connect a legal sexual act with illegal child abuse? Would having anal with a woman make me a beasty as well, as that isn't a 'normal; sexual activity to you .... and gawd forbid blowjobs?

[gWaPito]

How the hell do you connect a legal sexual act with illegal child abuse? Would having anal with a woman make me a beasty as well, as that isn't a 'normal; sexual activity to you .... and gawd forbid blowjobs?

The act of homosexuality may be legal, it doesn't make it morally right.

You may enjoy having a length shoved up you back passage. I certainly wouldn't.
I dont know of any women liking it either. Buggery be it man on man or man on women is in my eyes abnormal.

Not sure what oral sex has to do with it.

Perhaps Ive lead a sheltered life

[Arthur Little]

Truth be told ... homosexuality, lesbianism and paedophilia are ALL forms of sexual deviancy - albeit the first two have [sadly] been allowed to become legalised - whereas, the third NEVER WILL be, thank God!

[les_taxi]

I'm a gay magnet
Two blokes once invited me back to theirs a couple of years back

[aposhark]

Truth be told ... homosexuality, lesbianism and paedophilia are ALL forms of sexual deviancy - albeit the first two have [sadly] been allowed to become legalised - whereas, the third NEVER WILL be, thank God!

Homosexuality and lesbianism are not sexual deviances for the people that swing that way
As Doc Alan points out, there may be up to 10% of the world's population are homosexual.

Better relax Arthur Little, they may be next to you at any minute

The TV show is Modern Family - it is a relection on society in the USA.
The UK is not too dissimilar.