more immigration scare stories

[joebloggs]

Easy many poles and other european people (i guess many on here would be classed as european people) work hard and would feel shame to have to claim benefits.
Also before making sweeping statments i know of filipinos who once able also claims benefits.

Many of the poles here are just like the phills i have met at work grateful they get paid a decent wage with generally decent working condtions (laws and enviroment)

so andypaul, the polish workers you know get paid the same rates as your english workers? i know the polish guy i work with doesn't, he's on the lowest wage where i work. i'm sure some do get paid the same rate, but there are a number who are exploited by employers and i wonder what benefits english workers get from the polish gov .. if you don't think there is a problem with europeans coming to the uk, take a visit to Slough, where 200 people were stopped in 1 hour, and asked where they were from, and 140 were not british, and if its not a problem why have they put a cap on the number of people who can come from bulgaria and romania into the uk?

anyway my moan, is that if a european can come freely to the uk and bring their family , then why do people born in britian have to play the expensive visa game, if europeans can do it, then it should be your legal right to bring your non european wife and family here.

moan over

[jonnijon]

Reading the BBC web page this morning,looks like there is going to be a £1000 deposit before you can sponsor a friend to come to the UK.Also more restrictions on bringing your own wife into the country,thats it now,ive had it with this country,just dont know what this government will think of next.

[joebloggs]

yes jonnijon , i started a new thread about it, i wonder what other changes are lined up for april

[andypaul]

so andypaul, the polish workers you know get paid the same rates as your english workers? i know the polish guy i work with doesn't, he's on the lowest wage where i work. i'm sure some do get paid the same rate, but there are a number who are exploited by employers and i wonder what benefits english workers get from the polish gov .. if you don't think there is a problem with europeans coming to the uk, take a visit to Slough, where 200 people were stopped in 1 hour, and asked where they were from, and 140 were not british, and if its not a problem why have they put a cap on the number of people who can come from bulgaria and romania into the uk?

anyway my moan, is that if a european can come freely to the uk and bring their family , then why do people born in britian have to play the expensive visa game, if europeans can do it, then it should be your legal right to bring your non european wife and family here.

moan over

The workers i know are paid the same ie minimum wage or basic shop rate if thats where they work. In my company the chaps are paid on the same grade.

I know Slough well i could ask a poll at Slough train Station, the bus centre just outside, the massive tescos next to that or the shopping centre at certain times and have the figures say high percentages of Skih pass though there, other times Muslim asians,africans, other times polish and other times White British. With a bit of reserach i could favour various grroups.
I See different ratios on the trains at different times due to work (the poles,africans, skihs and muslims allwork in various parts of london or in the opposite way from slough in various key locations which dictate the train they get on ,also catholic church, gurudwara and mosque festival times. Then the great British rush hour when all the Brit white appear straight from the house appear from the to Train and the reverse in the evening, the Wife comments on how she hardly sees brit whites in the street unless going to and from work, the anaswer we all hang upside down like vampires the rest of the time.

Who asked the poll? Ask any polling company to run you a poll and they will try to see what your trying to acheive and the questioning and the rules will change to ensure the results make the person paying happy so they use the same company again.

[joebloggs]

well i know the polish guy at my work is paid less than everyone else, i think if its a larger company then yes they would get paid the same as everyone else, but most of the companies i've worked for are small, and the pay is usually set by your manager or director, and obviously he will want to pay as little as possible.. a company we deal with, had taken on about 6 poles out of a work force of 12, of course the guy who owned it was paying them less than the others there, whats the advantage to him if he pays them the same ?? sure they might work harder, but balance this against them not speaking good english, yes i know some do speak good english.. infact the 6 poles went back to poland, and never came back, he has 8 Slovakians working for him now... i wonder why ???

its funny that electrolux are shutting a plant in the uk, and opening one in poland, and due to the fact that many poles are in the uk now, the plant in poland are employing cheaper Albanian labour

[aromulus]

Well....

My job is as safe as I make it.....
And the company I work for does everything in the book to employ disabled people, gender variants, ethnics, etc.
But some cannot stand the pressure , some others find it hard working the unsociable hours , and some just can't get to grips with dealing with alcohol sales....
But the worst ones are the ones that can't sell a bean because their level of English language skills are non-existent.

And those are the Brits.......

[andypaul]

well i know the polish guy at my work is paid less than everyone else, i think if its a larger company then yes they would get paid the same as everyone else, but most of the companies i've worked for are small, and the pay is usually set by your manager or director, and obviously he will want to pay as little as possible.. a company we deal with, had taken on about 6 poles out of a work force of 12, of course the guy who owned it was paying them less than the others there, whats the advantage to him if he pays them the same ?? sure they might work harder, but balance this against them not speaking good english, yes i know some do speak good english.. infact the 6 poles went back to poland, and never came back, he has 8 Slovakians working for him now... i wonder why ???

its funny that electrolux are shutting a plant in the uk, and opening one in poland, and due to the fact that many poles are in the uk now, the plant in poland are employing cheaper Albanian labour

In phill the people i speak to seem to complain about chinese goods are making it hard for phill companies to compete. That workers from the provinces or abroad are coming in cutting wages or taking the jobs.

I think the wife said many of the workers in one tourist place we went to in phill were thais, indonesian, others chinese and the Indians and koreans taking over other things.

So happening every where i guess,