barn structures and chicken egg layers.

[grahamw48]

I took a trip to the Dept of Agriculture and Fisheries in Laguna (Los Banos ?).

They were really pleasant and helpful, with one of their professors taking me on a tour of their experimental fish farm facility.

At that time I was more into aquaculture.

In the end I decided against fish farming in the Phils, due to likely security issues.
Shame really because the business possibilities were encouraging.

I've just met so many expats who've lost out financially on these (bigger) ventures over the years, that I'm afraid I am rather cynical these days.

[branno]

funny you shud mention about fish graham, ive just asked my wifes sister in law to enquire about the possibilty of renting some huge fish tanks at the university where she works. she is a marine biologist and they are studying sea cucumbers.. this project is severely underfunded, so with some donations i may be able to open other doors.. apparantly sea cucumbers are fetching quite a few bob. but as yet they are still struggling to breed them in captivity at the uni, but results are looking reasonably good.

[grahamw48]

Japan apparently has an industry producing food fish in indoor tanks.

That's something I'd be happier doing. - More PRIVATE.

I had an aquatics shop here in England for a few years, with getting on for a couple of hundred tanks.

I decided upon breeding ornamental birds last time I was in the Phils though (for 3 years), with some success.

[branno]

yeah i remember u telling me that graham, theres a great amount of birds in the phils, ill have to get a bird book.

[somebody]

Freakythe Missus is setting up a chicken farm (is that the right term?) I think she starting with 400 chickens a family member is doing nearby and the reason the wife is getting her Aunt to set up is the demand is so great buyers are asking for more.

The family are known as a land owning farmers in the town with lots of links to the local Councl and mayor etc. But still a risk the biggest one apart from theft and sabotage. I would have thought is Typhoons and flooding although the area is on higher ground so should be ok even during onday it was dry. The price of food is sky rocketing in phill at the moment at a rate many have not seen for years and years im told.

[grahamw48]

The price of grain and animal feed is high everywhere now. Makes an enormous difference to profitability.

I'm sure all here will realise that being a Foreigner and running a business....particularly agricultural, is a very different proposition to one run by locals over there.

Weather is a concern possibly, but not one I'd lose sleep over, with the correct housing and general location.

[branno]

rain fall is having terrible affect on the rice production too... one field only brought us in a poor 750 kilos..

[somebody]

hmm where did that post go I just wrote

Yeah your right Graham its all being done by the Family and the families farm workers who have been working with the family for years. So hopefully not a problem.

The money is huge at the moment even talk of Japan needing to start importing far more foodstuffs and other countries looking for new sources of food other than Japan.
Didn't realise they produced so much food!!
The Wifes family are bringing back into farming of various kinds vast tracts of land which is great news and means more people being employed

When the Wife was speaking to older family members who have large farms she was told th ebiggest issue is Chickens dieing of Heat exhaustion a bigger problem than diease or theft im told. So location as Graham very important

[grahamw48]

Funny that I almost mentioned the heat being a problem for certain livestock...but forgot.

I was breeding rabbits for meat at one time, and this really was a problem for them...and in fact for most imported 'furry animals'.
(I also bred Guinea Pigs and Hamsters, but not for meat ).

Again, any form of cooling is a major expense, so choice of breed is very important as regards chickens etc. Learn from the locals first, and then try a few improvements.

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Diepers and ducks: (He later went and sat in their bath )

[branno]

heat is a very important factor, so we are considering nippa under the tin roof too.. if it helps... i often go to an island north of iloilo its called palina its hard to google mainly just fishermen no power except generators after 6 pm for a few hours.. which is lovely to me. theres no roads either just tracks and bancas .. i go out some times to pull in the nets with the boys and they have a mile long net x a metre deep. after 12 hours of this net been located the catch is very minimal one night we only pulled in 12 fish or so...which considering over a period of 12 hours isnt such a good catch... but its two days food.

[grahamw48]

....Just catching one for breakfast...as you do.

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[branno]

....Just catching one for breakfast...as you do.

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thought u was looking for a certain persons flip flop

[fred]

Ok.. The chickens reached 48 days and we have slaughtered 5.. They weighed 2 KGs alive and 1.5 Kgs after they were cleaned.. The other 5 are still underweight.
The 10 that we have have consumed almost 50 KGS of food costing 1.200 Pesos.. The chicks were 38 pesos each so 380.00 Pesos..
So lets call it 1,600 for 15 kilos of clean chicken..
15 Kilos in the market here would cost on average 145.00 per kilo or 1,450 PHP..
Apart from the intestines,heads,feet and chicken waste I have just made a loss and so cannot recommend this for anything other than for home consumption..
If this was operated in volume as a business venture then you could get feeds cheaper due to volume and sell chicken waste to farmers and bangus fish farms etc.. On the other hand you will have business related costs such as permits and taxes not to mention losses in stocks due to desease or sickness etc..Also employees salaries and benefits to pay (such as SS and Philhealth after 6 months)
In short I wouldnt touch this business with a barge pole and that is the same for layers..
Cheers,
Fred.

[branno]

Ok.. The chickens reached 48 days and we have slaughtered 5.. They weighed 2 KGs alive and 1.5 Kgs after they were cleaned.. The other 5 are still underweight.
The 10 that we have have consumed almost 50 KGS of food costing 1.200 Pesos.. The chicks were 38 pesos each so 380.00 Pesos..
So lets call it 1,600 for 15 kilos of clean chicken..
15 Kilos in the market here would cost on average 145.00 per kilo or 1,450 PHP..
Apart from the intestines,heads,feet and chicken waste I have just made a loss and so cannot recommend this for anything other than for home consumption..
If this was operated in volume as a business venture then you could get feeds cheaper due to volume and sell chicken waste to farmers and bangus fish farms etc.. On the other hand you will have business related costs such as permits and taxes not to mention losses in stocks due to desease or sickness etc..Also employees salaries and benefits to pay (such as SS and Philhealth after 6 months)
In short I wouldnt touch this business with a barge pole and that is the same for layers..
Cheers,
Fred.

cheers for that fred...well i hope it tasted nice

[grahamw48]

It has always been my view that it is likely to be a fruitless exercise trying to compete with the locals in most businesses.

Really it is better to try finding a 'niche' business that they are not so good at, and where 'skill' and added value are the main factors rather than labour and production costs.

[ajames1463]

well you can as some poultry guys in the philipines. I know there's a lot poultry business makers in pangasinan.

[worthingmale]

some very interesting reading here, thanks for this

chickens off the business ideas, but the fish farm sounds interesting breeding fish to eat

any other ideas for business and a crazy young guy who wants to try would be greatly appreciated please

[Peanutz]

some very interesting reading here, thanks for this

chickens off the business ideas, but the fish farm sounds interesting breeding fish to eat

any other ideas for business and a crazy young guy who wants to try would be greatly appreciated please

You may find some ideas at Negosyo Ideas (Google it)

[branno]

some very interesting reading here, thanks for this

chickens off the business ideas, but the fish farm sounds interesting breeding fish to eat

any other ideas for business and a crazy young guy who wants to try would be greatly appreciated please

sea cucumbers

[worthingmale]

erm sea cucumbers ? think your pulling my leg

[branno]

erm sea cucumbers ? think your pulling my leg

noooo sea cucumbers are big bucks