The Nurses of Manila: Episode 2

[Dedworth]

The Nurses of Manila: Episode 2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ila_Episode_2/

Just listened to this. It was mentioned in the magazine here

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....ht=#post296173

[joebloggs]

dedworth

[Dedworth]

dedworth

Quote from the broadcast - A number of patients say “how wonderful the Filipino nurses are”

Seconded

[joebloggs]

Quote from the broadcast - A number of patients say “how wonderful the Filipino nurses are”

Seconded

and dont forget the doctors

what a journey my misses has been on, driving 100 miles a day taking 2hrs

working 9hr day or in many cases 12hrs

nearly finished her foundation year 1, another year togo

respect to the pinoy nurses and docs

[Doc Alan]

The filipino nurses - and doctors - in Wales and the rest of the UK are indeed wonderful .
Around 10 years ago the NHS began recruiting nurses from across the globe, especially India and the Philippines, to boost a desperate short-staff situation. Their success story in Wales is well worth a listen .
However, times have changed. There are few nursing vacancies for anyone from outside Europe these days. Even worse, it's easier for EU nurses - and doctors - to obtain work in the UK without the stringent tests needed for non-EU applicants. Remember the out of hours German doctor working his first shift in the UK who had failed an English language test and had no NHS experience - 3 years ago he killed a patient with an overdose of painkillers, and is still working in Germany.
In the Philippines an estimated 100,000 nurses were in training last year, 50,000 qualified, and only 13,000 found a job abroad. Filipino families are putting their daughters or sons through 4 years of training at a cost of $10,000 with no certainty of a job at home ( no shortage of nurses in the Philippines ), and even less abroad.
In the last decade filipino families have begun to realise to realise that nursing in the UK is no longer such a good option. That's a tragedy, we need them, and their families have made sacrifices for them. In fact the UK is now a net exporter of nurses ( especially to Australia).
As for different standards applying to EU and non-EU applicants for nursing and medicine, that is a shameful situation . It's been recognised by our Nursing and Midwifery Council, British Medical Association, General Medical Council, and Department of Health .... but not, so far, the European Commission

[Dedworth]

The filipino nurses - and doctors - in Wales and the rest of the UK are indeed wonderful .
Around 10 years ago the NHS began recruiting nurses from across the globe, especially India and the Philippines, to boost a desperate short-staff situation. Their success story in Wales is well worth a listen .
However, times have changed. There are few nursing vacancies for anyone outside Europe these days. Even worse, it's easier for EU nurses - and doctors - to obtain work in the UK without the stringent tests needed for non-EU applicants. Remember the out of hours German doctor working his first shift in the UK who had failed an English language test and had no NHS experience - 3 years ago he killed a patient with an overdose of painkillers, and is still working in Germany.
In the Philippines an estimated 100,000 nurses were in training last year, 50,000 qualified, and only 13,000 found a job abroad. Filipino families are putting their daughters or sons through 4 years of training at a cost of $10,000 with no certainty of a job at home ( no shortage of nurses in the Philippines ), and even less abroad.
In the last decade filipino families have begun to realise to realise that nursing in the UK is no longer such a good option. That's a tragedy, we need them, and their families have made sacrifices for them. In fact the UK is now a net exporter of nurses ( especially to Australia).
As for different standards applying to EU and non-EU applicants for nursing and medicine, that is a shameful situation . It's been recognised by our Nursing and Midwifery Council, British Medical Association, General Medical Council, and Department of Health .... but not, so far, the European Commission

Very true - anyone using the NJHS or Private healthcare provider now runs the very real risk of being treated by less than competent EU Doctors and Nurses thanks to our blind subservience to Brussels

[joebloggs]

i think GMC and the Gov are trying to get Brussels to change this, for European docs at the mo its up to the NHS trust which is thinking of employing a EU doc (probably NMC for nurses) to check their skills, qualifications and their standard of English. while those who did their medical degree outside Europe (even if your British !!) have to get i think its 7.5 in IELTS academic in each category and pass the 2 Plab tests (took my misses years to do this )

every European doc should have to be registered with the GMC and take the same exam as non Europeans.

the german doc i think was refused by a number of NHS trusts, but for some reason he was allowed to work in one trust.