Burglar Killed - Householder deserves a medal

[dontpushme]

ING HELL! Your government gives more rights to your criminals than they give you!

My bf's family was robbed last year. The balaclava-clad intruders broke down their front door and bashed into his parents' bedroom, threatening their lives if they didn't hand over whatever the robbers wanted. His dad had a club under the bed but because he couldn't do anything to those ing douchebags that your government protects, he couldn't do anything to protect his family and they had to spend a year in counseling and are still all feeling very unsafe in their own home. They live in Greater Manchester, btw. I don't care for jokes about how one place is safer than other places in the UK right now. All I know is no UK residents are safe in the knowledge that they can protect themselves if they ever get threatened. Stupid laws protecting horrible crooks and hurting countless people every year!

Grr! This is a joke! Your government officials need to be replaced. And I suggest asking any potential candidate what they plan to do about the unfair advantage the crooks are getting. This is all a big crock of bull-ing st!

Sorry, I'm just fuming that the people who hurt Matt's family are still at large and there was nothing the family could do to protect themselves. I'd have broken both arms of the first guy to point a knife at my family and pulled his king nuts off, or for more "reasonable" force, I'd have kicked him in the knees to tear his ligaments! Then I'd have chased anyone else with a baseball bat!

I don't condone vigilantism or committing manslaughter even after you've already disarmed an intruder. But I will never support allowing homeowners to be terrorised left and right by intruders who feel smug because the law is on their side. NEVER.

[les_taxi]

F*CKING HELL! Your government gives more rights to your criminals than they give you!

My bf's family was robbed last year. The balaclava-clad intruders broke down their front door and bashed into his parents' bedroom, threatening their lives if they didn't hand over whatever the robbers wanted. His dad had a club under the bed but because he couldn't do anything to those f*cking douchebags that your government protects, he couldn't do anything to protect his family and they had to spend a year in counseling and are still all feeling very unsafe in their own home. They live in Greater Manchester, btw. I don't care for jokes about how one place is safer than other places in the UK right now. All I know is no UK residents are safe in the knowledge that they can protect themselves if they ever get threatened. Stupid laws protecting horrible crooks and hurting countless people every year!

Grr! This is a joke! Your government officials need to be replaced. And I suggest asking any potential candidate what they plan to do about the unfair advantage the crooks are getting. This is all a big crock of bull-f*cking sh*t!

(Sorry, I'm just fuming that the people who hurt Matt's family are still at large and there was nothing the family could do to protect themselves. I'd have broken both arms of the first guy to point a knife at my family and pulled his f*cking nuts off, or for more "reasonable" force, I'd have kicked him in the knees to tear his ligaments! Then I'd have chased anyone else with a baseball bat!)

Thats more like it well said

[johncar54]

F*CKING HELL! Your government gives more rights to your criminals than they give you!

My bf's family was robbed last year. The balaclava-clad intruders broke down their front door and bashed into his parents' bedroom, threatening their lives if they didn't hand over whatever the robbers wanted. His dad had a club under the bed but because he couldn't do anything to those f*cking douchebags that your government protects, he couldn't do anything to protect his family and they had to spend a year in counseling and are still all feeling very unsafe in their own home. They live in Greater Manchester, btw. I don't care for jokes about how one place is safer than other places in the UK right now. All I know is no UK residents are safe in the knowledge that they can protect themselves if they ever get threatened. Stupid laws protecting horrible crooks and hurting countless people every year!

Grr! This is a joke! Your government officials need to be replaced. And I suggest asking any potential candidate what they plan to do about the unfair advantage the crooks are getting. This is all a big crock of bull-f*cking sh*t!

Sorry, I'm just fuming that the people who hurt Matt's family are still at large and there was nothing the family could do to protect themselves. I'd have broken both arms of the first guy to point a knife at my family and pulled his f*cking nuts off, or for more "reasonable" force, I'd have kicked him in the knees to tear his ligaments! Then I'd have chased anyone else with a baseball bat!

I don't condone vigilantism or committing manslaughter even after you've already disarmed an intruder. But I will never support allowing homeowners to be terrorised left and right by intruders who feel smug because the law is on their side. NEVER.

Really great rant but a distortion of the facts.

The law in UK DOES ALLOW ONE TO PROTECT THEIR LIFE, THAT OF ANOTHER PERSON, THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT OF ANOTHER.

What it does not allow is unreasonable force to do so. Reasonable force can include force which results in the death of the attacker, but as I said, each case is considered on the facts of that case.

[grahamw48]

F*CKING HELL! Your government gives more rights to your criminals than they give you!

My bf's family was robbed last year. The balaclava-clad intruders broke down their front door and bashed into his parents' bedroom, threatening their lives if they didn't hand over whatever the robbers wanted. His dad had a club under the bed but because he couldn't do anything to those f*cking douchebags that your government protects, he couldn't do anything to protect his family and they had to spend a year in counseling and are still all feeling very unsafe in their own home. They live in Greater Manchester, btw. I don't care for jokes about how one place is safer than other places in the UK right now. All I know is no UK residents are safe in the knowledge that they can protect themselves if they ever get threatened. Stupid laws protecting horrible crooks and hurting countless people every year!

Grr! This is a joke! Your government officials need to be replaced. And I suggest asking any potential candidate what they plan to do about the unfair advantage the crooks are getting. This is all a big crock of bull-f*cking sh*t!

Sorry, I'm just fuming that the people who hurt Matt's family are still at large and there was nothing the family could do to protect themselves. I'd have broken both arms of the first guy to point a knife at my family and pulled his f*cking nuts off, or for more "reasonable" force, I'd have kicked him in the knees to tear his ligaments! Then I'd have chased anyone else with a baseball bat!

I don't condone vigilantism or committing manslaughter even after you've already disarmed an intruder. But I will never support allowing homeowners to be terrorised left and right by intruders who feel smug because the law is on their side. NEVER.

I totally agree.

Unfortunately the voters keep electing pussies, thieves and upper class twits to councils and parliament, and that is where the interests of the MAJORITY of the electorate ends.

[johncar54]

I totally agree.

Unfortunately the voters keep electing pussies, thieves and upper class twits to councils and parliament, and that is where the interests of the MAJORITY of the electorate ends.

I wonder just how many here have ever spoken one-to -one to their MP and expressed their personal view about how they want their representative to represent them. Very few I suspect. So don't blame 'them' for not doing what we want, blame 'us'

(I say this as I am 'involved in mankind' although I have no say in UK, I just pay most of my tax there. I do speak quite often to my local Councillor in Spain)

[Dedworth]

I wonder just how many here have ever spoken one-to -one to their MP and expressed their personal view about how they want their representative to represent them. Very few I suspect. So don't blame 'them' for not doing what we want, blame 'us'

(I say this as I am 'involved in mankind' although I have no say in UK, I just pay most of my tax there. I do speak quite often to my local Councillor in Spain)

My MP's Home Secretary Theresa May I've met her face to face 6 or 8 times over the last 10 years to discuss various issues and I regularly email her

[johncar54]

My MP's Home Secretary Theresa May I've met her face to face 6 or 8 times over the last 10 years to discuss various issues and I regularly email her

I am not surprised at that Dedworth, but how many other people do you know who have done that ?

[Dedworth]

I am not surprised at that Dedworth, but how many other people do you know who have done that ?

errrm possibly one

[dontpushme]

The law in UK DOES ALLOW ONE TO PROTECT THEIR LIFE, THAT OF ANOTHER PERSON, THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT OF ANOTHER and, as I said I worked on a case where a person killed one of three men who attempted to rob him and he was not prosecuted for anything.

But that's the thing. "Unreasonable force" is a subjective term that could mean anything or nothing. Unfortunately, when you're being attacked, you don't have time to sit down and list all the possible courses of action. So instead, the best course of action for many people would seem to be to just sit and be a victim.

My MP's Home Secretary Theresa May I've met her face to face 6 or 8 times over the last 10 years to discuss various issues and I regularly email her

Good for you. I was raised in a family that encouraged us to do the same. We've never shied away from talking to government officials if we had something important to say, and neither should anyone. They are public servants but they can't read minds.

[johncar54]

But that's the thing. "Unreasonable force" is a subjective term that could mean anything or nothing. Unfortunately, when you're being attacked, you don't have time to sit down and list all the possible courses of action. So instead, the best course of action for many people would seem to be to just sit and be a victim.

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What amounts to "Reasonable force" in law is well established and well defined by numerous findings.

It is not a nebulous thing which 'could mean anything or nothing' as you seem to think.

It is of course subjective, as each case is considered on its own merits (in the light of the law as established over maybe hundreds of years).

[joebloggs]

My MP's Home Secretary Theresa May I've met her face to face 6 or 8 times over the last 10 years to discuss various issues and I regularly email her

do you feel you've wasted your time

[Englishman2010]

My MP's Home Secretary Theresa May I've met her face to face 6 or 8 times over the last 10 years to discuss various issues and I regularly email her

Good for you Ded I'm sure she appreciates your eloquent sarcasm and humour. She's probably added you to her blocked senders list now Your e-mails will be sitting in her spam folder for eternity. Don't be surprised if the next time you meet her face to face she gets an injunction out on you preventing you from coming within 100 yards of her

[Dedworth]

Good for you Ded I'm sure she appreciates your eloquent sarcasm and humour. She's probably added you to her blocked senders list now Your e-mails will be sitting in her spam folder for eternity. Don't be surprised if the next time you meet her face to face she gets an injunction out on you preventing you from coming within 100 yards of her

We said hello in the local shopping centre not long ago, haven't had the injunction drop through the letterbox yet.

[joebloggs]

We said hello in the local shopping centre not long ago, haven't had the injunction drop through the letterbox yet.

maybe its a super injunction but no one can tell you about it