Is china going to rape the philippines...

[Englishman2010]

englishman.. i dont have issues...i have my own points of view and i also believe that some two hundred yrs or so ago the falklands may of been inhabited by south americans..mainly argentinians... i suppose u was there on the ship that arrived there kicking out the locals and flying ur flag.... but in reallity who really laid claim or rather took it from the locals.. other countries too say they have ownership over the island... i think of it like this... if the argies had had the power of the british navy in them days and they laid claim to ireland .... id say heyyy off .... just my views

Fair comment, but as I understand it, the Falklands and South Georgia were uninhabited 200 years ago, all that was there were colonies of penguins and seabirds. The Argentinians had no interest in the islands then because they were desolate windswept hell holes that no one wanted to live on , otherwise they would have colonised them before we got there. The only reason we colonised them was because they made good bases for the Whaling industry. The Argentinian claim only came about after we had spent money on them making them inhabitable and no doubt the lure of the oil and gas is what is really driving them on again.

The Channel Islands are a few miles off the French Coast, therefore the French should claim them if you go by the Argentinian way of thinking. Sensibly, the French don't see it that way and understand they are British.

[somebody]

China is a awesome beast but has in the past just when it looked like it might dominate has suddenly self destructed or decided it can't be bothered..

The chinese Ecomony is rising at an incredible rate but there is a chance it could self destruct even with the awsome powers its national bank has.. There is a chance that its Ecomony may end up like Japanese since the 90's strong but in the doldrums.

Plus already China has had problems with workers leaving in droves once they get enough money to go home and live in their local village/area again..

I think china will overcome but its far from certain that some thing won't happen to China which stops it being the world nbr one power.

look how Chinese all over the world are happy to trade and work hard but rarely dominated other cultures they tend to keep themsleves to themsleves from what i have seen. Already China could pull the strings on the world stage but doesn't always seem by western standards intrested in doing..

[branno]

all i can say is that its a terrible greedy vulgar world...and every one wants to bleed you or deprive you in any way they can... i was working today in a remote part of yorkshire... i was 60 foot aloft ... then this farmer told me that all i could see he owned.. wow... i replied... thank f for imported new zealand lamb...

but reversing back to the original question... soveriegnity and oil causes many problems ..far too many.

[grahamw48]

We did the dirty on our New Zealand friends and relations and their (then huge) exports of lamb to us when we joined the cursed Common Market.

[branno]

We did the dirty on our New Zealand friends and relations and their (then huge) exports of lamb to us when we joined the cursed Common Market.

but at least i got a leg of lamb at half the price.. we all have a price graham mines lamb but i adore lamb fresh from the dales

[grahamw48]

I had heard that, but was giving you the benefit of the doubt..

[branno]

I had heard that, but was giving you the benefit of the doubt..

postage n package has just increased 50%

[Koala]

You can seen all the lamb you can spare over here......boy do I miss a good leg of lamb with roast potatoes,carrots and nice gravy.....You buy lamb here and it must be 1 day before its classified as mutton or hoggart it certainly an't lamb.

Koala

[KeithD]

Due to the fast growth in China, wages have increased around 300% in the last few, and along with the recession, a lot of Western companies are now moving to cheaper locations like India, Vietnam & Cambodia. This move will continue to increase as wages still rise. The Chinese economy will peak and crash at some point, economies never grow continuosly.

[Terpe]

We did the dirty on our New Zealand friends and relations and their (then huge) exports of lamb to us when we joined the cursed Common Market.

Sorry for off-topic
Lamb is my very favorite roast.
At the butcher or the supermarket I can very easily find English and Welsh lamb.
Also New Zealand lamb is just about everywhere.
I can't recall seeing any lamb from Europe.
Are there any lamb imports from EU? What's it like in terms of taste and quality?

Just curious.

[grahamw48]

We actually export most of our lamb TO the EU...and the middle-east.

Remember all the hoo-ha about live animals being transported so far in the trucks ?

[Terpe]

We actually export most of our lamb TO the EU...and the middle-east.

Remember all the hoo-ha about live animals being transported so far in the trucks ?

I wasn't making reference to our exports, more to the New Zealand imports you highlighted.

[Terpe]

Due to the fast growth in China, wages have increased around 300% in the last few, and along with the recession, a lot of Western companies are now moving to cheaper locations like India, Vietnam & Cambodia. This move will continue to increase as wages still rise. The Chinese economy will peak and crash at some point, economies never grow continuosly.

China did a great global marketing job when it tempted our captains of industry.
It opened the eyes and the pockets of the west to a source of cheap and dependable labour that allowed an instant boost to profitability.
Those who took us there were so blinded by short-term gratification, that they have now pretty much doomed much of the European and American manufacturing.

Almost like to waking up one morning and finding that not only did all those manufacturing jobs disappear, but realising they ain't ever coming back.

An economic future irrepairably damaged by Chinese economic principles.

C'mon guys, the world has changed and continues to change right before our very eyes.
The kinds of economics we all studied so well no longer work. Chinese is the new economic model. Nationalistic protectionism
Most of the world learned from us for over 100 years. I just hope we can adapt to now learn from others all we can about nationalistic protectionism and a new buy British campaign.

It's too simplistic to simply suggest economic collapse and doom for China.

I agree that there will come a time, as has happened before, when China will need to re-balance it's economy.
Yes, China will eventually shift it's strategy from cheap labour, exports and it's huge foreign investments, to an new strategy of increasing domestic consumption. And what an absolutley huge domestic market can be cultivated.

Yes, increasing wages, increasing energy costs and increasing commodity prices are giving rise to escalating inflation.
All these factors are undoubtedly impacting the millions and millions of poor families hard. China knows very well what the future challenges are and just how intense they will be, and just how to turn those to domestic advantage.

This current global recession has taught China a valuable lesson, that it needs to move the economy up the value-curve and focus more on domestic demand. Even if it means outsourcing to cheaper production like Cambodia etc.

China understands it's weaknesses of low interest rates and self manufactured weaker currency and uses both to it's advantage despite global protests.
China will continue to avoid cheap money, but we can all expect them to further increase their debt purchases, their loan quotas, rising bank reserve ratios, and their gradual increases in their interest rates to the western debts.

Do some research, it's easy to see that China’s nationalistic protectionism and perfidious economic strategy is for real.

Look at the investment and buying strategy of China globally, especially in Africa where Europe once dominated and benefited.
Look at what China is doing in Eastern Europe, Asia and India also. Look what already happened in Hungary, and what will happen in Poland.

Just look how I've gotten all wound up again and jumped back up on my soap box.

[grahamw48]

Plus, China have never given a about what other countries think of them.

[Terpe]

Plus, China have never given a about what other countries think of them.

That's the whole point.
Does anyone believe China will tread carefully because of human rights.
Does anyone believe China cares even little bit about MG UK. No!
China is on a path of world domination, now it KNOWS just how to do it.
China is for China.

[Moy]

The Philippines even wants to scrap the VFA. I mean its like a suicidal person cutting all ties, going it alone and walking into the wilderness full of nasty things unarmed with no friends saying I don't need anyone. Bad countries are like lions, they smell weakness and the weak die to make room for the strong.

The Government of the Philippines will negotiate the Spartly's for money then blame the U.S. because they had no other choice.

[Pete/London]

If the invitation does go out to the US to drop its anchor again I hope the PI negotiate from a position of strength.
Unfortunately the money coming into the country from overseas workers must be dropping due to the middle east unrest and the economies suffering, and that could mean more workers returning to the PI to unemployment. It may result in the resources of the country being sold too cheaply.
I think the VFA is still in negotiation stage.

[tanga]

The Philippines even wants to scrap the VFA. I mean its like a suicidal person cutting all ties, going it alone and walking into the wilderness full of nasty things unarmed with no friends saying I don't need anyone. Bad countries are like lions, they smell weakness and the weak die to make room for the strong.

The Government of the Philippines will negotiate the Spartly's for money then blame the U.S. because they had no other choice.

Moy,
The Philippines does not want to scrap the VFA. A small group of militants want it scrapped,these are the same ones who will be screaming from the rooftops if China gains control of The Spratleys. Some senators have been pushing for the renegotiation of the terms of the VFA.
The USA has by agreement a mandate to protect the sovereign rights of The Philippines. The Armed forces of Philippines rely on USA to provide it with surplus equipment as aircraft ships and intelligence.Without this support The Philippines would have been powerless to take on the ASG and JI terrorist groups.These groups are linked to Al Qaeda and are a real threat to world peace.
China will not be taking on The Philippines alone

[Moy]

hiya Tanga

thanks for the inf

[branno]

US law makers push for end to sea spat.
UNITED STATES lawmakers are pushing for a peaceful and collaborative resolution to the dispute at the west philippine sea or more commonly know as the south china sea.

it reads..on 23 june 2011, secretary of state Hilary clinton told visiting philippine foreign secretary Alberto rosario that "we are determined and committed to supporting the defense of the philippines."

think tanks are beginning to think that this may escalate much more.

[grahamw48]

China is even less happy with the US today, after Mr. O'barmy's meeting with the Dali Lama.

I can see them taking about as much notice of any 'pressure' the Americans may try to exert regarding the Spratleys as they have over human rights.

[fred]

I dont think the Chinese will be firing any live rounds at fishermen or local patrol boats with the US navy present.

[grahamw48]

Maybe the Somali pirates will show the Chinese a few tricks in how to give the most heavily armed country in the world the run around.