bullying

[eytch]

is it true that here in UK teenagers are more pain in the hehehe i heard a lot of stories here, and they warned me that beware of teenagers.

[andypaul]

Some teenagers are unruly but im sure your find just as many thoughout the country studying away or at least at there parents house.

My Wife noticed lots hanging around and on the buses at night (In london the buses are free for under 16's) but its just a minority the rest are at home i would have thought.

[Mich]

there is a bully anywhere in this world, eytch! but still ingat pa rin in that area. my friend living in yorkshire had a bad experience with teenage bullies.

they thought she was a high school student coz of her height and looks.

[bigtombowski]

Yeah, 2 thursdays ago my chinese friend got mugged here in Birmingham by a gang of "youths" . . . imagine that, 6 teenage boys pickin on a defenseless woman . . . that happens everywhere though i think - as mitch pointed out!

[joebloggs]

my wifes aunt has been mugged twice on a bus in laguna, once when the low life pulled a knife on her, while she had our daughter with her, who was only 3 at the time pitty i wasnt there, or he would have had that knife inserted somewhere,,

its time the hoodies got prison sentances, and not warnings, oh give them one warning, then 6 months, if they commit any crime again, double the sentance. until they learn crime dont pay

and if the prisons are full, we can export them to siberia, where we can pay the russian army to take care of them, at a fraction of the cost , as for human rights, these are not humans just cowards who attack in a pack, and what about the victims rights.

[russ01539]

The truth is Eytch, its much worse now thatn it was say 20 years ago. But I know the problem has only intensified since the BBC scrapped 'Playschool' and gave 'Blue Peter' and modern facelift job.

Now I was a good teenager usually, but I had a good upbringing mixed with Playschool and Blue Peter. These programs fired my imagination and made me want to go out and make something, or help someone.
Now there programs have gone todays teenagers' capacity to think has been forever erased. They no longer know what is right and what is wrong because the goalposts change every two minutes.

But here is the thing. Teenage/Youth crime accounts for about 6.3 billion pounds of government and our money every year. The cost to provide something for these kids to do outside of school every evening ? 3.8 billion is the current estimate. So we cant plame our children/teenagers for not having something worthwhile to do.

We should lock them up and FORCE them to watch every episode of every series of both Playschool and Blue Peter. Then let them out onto the streets again. If the 'Blue Peter Badge' became the 'in' thing to have it would be almost amusing. You would get hoodies force old people to cross over the road and do some shopping just so they could get a badge for escorting them safely back home. lol

[KeithD]

But I know the problem has only intensified since the BBC scrapped 'Playschool' and gave 'Blue Peter' and modern facelift job.

I think you'll find parents are to blame, not the TV

[joebloggs]

I think you'll find parents are to blame, not the TV

i think everything and everyone is to blame all playing a part, tv, video games, music, news, advertising, parents, schools, peers, kids themselfs, drink, drugs and smoking

all to easy just to blame the parents, when in many families both parents have to work, tv for showing sex, voilence earlier, the trash soaps that are just depressing, video games, so realistic now - young kids wanting to kill. games such as grand theft auto, with nothing but swearing and beating the hell out of people. music industry for the rap crap of 'musicians' just all thru the record, singing about beating women, money, drugs, being a 'gangster'. news for reporting only the bad news- am sure we all feel happier if we never watch it. advertising forcing kids to grow up too quick, aiming at kids, kids need to have the dearest clothes, toys or your just left out. schools how about teaching kids a bit of self respect and encouragement and respect others, what a difficult job teachers have today. their peers, daring and pushing each others into petty crime, alone their nothing but in a pack they think their tough, if you dont want to be left out, you have to be in a gang. kids themselfs, no self respect, low esteem, no goals, no dreams, no ambition. drugs, drink and smoking more and more teenagers and even younger are taking drugs, drinking and smoking, wether its the pressure from their peers or to escape thier depressing life...

no quick fix, but someone has to start somewhere. or what are kids going to be like in future generations...

[KeithD]

Parents do not have to let ids watch TV, or play video games, millions of kids in the world manage without. Parenst want the kids, it is 100% there responsibilty to bring it up right. If they both want to work, buy a bloody hampster.

[joebloggs]

i suppose keith your kids never watched tv ? or they were never any trouble

as for working, most parents work, becuase they have to, not that they want to, with the cost of living in the uk so high, most dont have a choice.

in the end it is upto the parents to bring them up right, but i think it is alot harder today than when i was a kid, i never knew anyone at school who took drugs, and one kid did drink, but i only knew of him, it seems alot more are doing drug and drinking than i was their age.

[KeithD]

I can't control what my kids do, they live with there mother, and yes, I'm part to blame for the way my daughter's a complete git in school, but I'm taking steps with the school & officials to deal with her, most folk just ignore the problem, and expect the school/government to sort out the problem. I'm taking responsibility for my daughters actions. My lad is no problem.

[joebloggs]

thats the first straight answer you ever given, with out a in it

sometimes thou, you cannot help someone who dont want it, You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be led

good luck with the daughter thou.

[KeithD]

Problem I've found, is that all the laws are on my daughters side at 14!!! Not a lot can be done!!!

[aromulus]

I lived in the Uk for 33 years and always looked at things with a dispassionate eye.
Lots of various things are to blame for this sorry state of affairs.
You both right in saying that the parents, one way or the other, are responsible for the kids behaviour. But the other side of the coin is depressing....
Easy to blame the parents if the kids act disgracefully, but what about the rights of the parents to discipline the kids???
They all been eroded and taken away by the liberal brigade.
If the various governments interference into family life and discipline hadn't undermined the parents influence within the family unit, and also into the school system, lots of horrible things would not happen.
Yes, one of my boys was bullied at school. He never said a thing about it, until when passing by, I saw him walking home with tears in his eyes. Got him in the car, and everything spewed out... Had been going on for nearly 2 years.
We followed the normal channels, police, Headmaster, but it was absolutely useless. The cops couldn't touch the gits upsetting my lad, and the headmaster was so far up his own backside that he flatly denied that there was any bullying going on in his school...
So I am afraid I did the only thing open to me, to make sure that it would not happen again...
I waited at the street corner, where normally they would pick on stragglers... Got my Camera out in front of them, and took a series of photos.... Then with the worst Italian accent(by the way I don't have a discernible accent), I told the lot of them, to leave my lad alone, and that i knew where they lived. And if they didn't stop.... I would call to have a CHAT with them and their parents. It must have worked, because my boy, for the last 18 months, has been looking much happier, and he is now in the top 3 of the class.
Get rid of all the silly little rules and regulations, bring back the birch, allow the parents to give the occasional clout when the situation demands, short, sharp shock...
The "go to your room" lark doesn't work... They have everything in the bloody rooms... TV, PSP, PS2, PC's, Gameboys, snacks, drinks, you name it they got it...

Just a couple of pennies worth.

[eytch]

nice input... we'll all of you are right...