Tottenham riots last night........

[Tawi2]

I just read the rivers of blood speech through twice,he was a visionary,very forward looking with clear sight.

In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office.

There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.

[branno]

Tariq jahan for priminister

[Tawi2]

I am watching sky news,I can see "North London College" behind the newscaster,it looks like a genuine small shopfront There are a number of somali and pakistani guys behind the newscaster trying to get their faces on camera,I wonder if thats how they got in,as "Students"

[grahamw48]

Enoch simply understood human nature.

He was a clever and eloquent man, despised by the stupid and naive.

[Jimbojac]

Enoch simply understood human nature.

He was a clever and eloquent man, despised by the stupid and naive.

From what i can remember he was a " sure thing" to rise to the very top but his famous Rivers of blood speech abruptly curtailed his career. Churchill was hugely outspoken when out of office but as we all know rose to the occasion once the " real" challenge of WWII beckoned.
True visionaries are often ahead of their time.

[Dedworth]

If these scum want to behave like savages they should be treated as such. I'd be for an immediate change in law whereby looters were shot on sight.

As Tawi said earlier too Handwringers will be out en masse tomorrow blaming social conditions and unemployment. What is needed is a total overhaul of the current criminal justice system and the introduction of severe deterrent punishments to fit the crime.

[Tawi2]

Its started kicking off again,this time in Enfield,few shops been looted and vehicles burnt,BUT theres a massive police presence in the area to deal with it before it gets out of hand like last nights fiasco

[les_taxi]

Great to know we are paying for all this mess and extra policing.
Looters are very high on the scum of the earth scale shoot on sight in my opinion

[grahamw48]

Yes, they'll be ready to issue the £80 fixed penalties...or more likely a 'caution'.

As Dedworth says, time to regain control over the criminal scum by imposing penalties which fit the crime.

Colour or race has nothing to do with it.
It's just time that some of these people got rid of the huge chip on their shoulder and buckled down to bettering themselves.

I saw that hand-wringing black woman MP on TV tonight, dodging questions about why other 'deprived' communities don't seem to feel the need to burn down their surroundings, while blaming everyone but themselves for their low-life existence.

[Arthur Little]

... although barely 14 yrs old at the time, the 1958 Notting Hill race riots still strike a chord with me!

[Arthur Little]

... although barely 14 yrs old at the time, the 1958 Notting Hill race riots still strike a chord with me!

... guess I'm one of very few members old enough to remember THEM.

[KeithD]

Southern Savages ... I always said us Northerners were a much more refined and educated type of person

[Dedworth]

Time for the Police to forget the softly softly approach. Boots, batons and plastic bullets need to be the order of the day with CS Gas and Water Cannons used unsparingly. It's the only language these criminal rioters and looters understand.

I didn't watch TV last night - No surprise to hear what Graham said about the black woman MP, I assume it was that rent-a-gob Diane Abbott, according to this she'd been on the Red Stripe http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1513891

[South-east boy]

Time for the Police to forget the softly softly approach. Boots, batons and plastic bullets need to be the order of the day with CS Gas and Water Cannons used unsparingly. It's the only language these criminal rioters and looters understand.

I didn't watch TV last night - No surprise to hear what Graham said about the black woman MP, I assume it was that rent-a-gob Diane Abbott, according to this she'd been on the Red Stripe http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1513891

Was thinking myself that they should have gone in harder with armoured vehicles with water canons etc, maybe even send the army in as there clearly wasn't enough Police to cope with it or to be able to capture, hand-cuff and lock up the rioters/looters/arsonists. These scum get away with it too often! Think most of them just use anything as an excuse to go crazy and fight, wreck, burn and steal as much as they want.

Said in the news that Comet, PC World, Aldi, Jewellers etc were emptied of their stock and also others burnt down. A lot of people lots their homes and businesses as well as their local stores. All the damage etc was meant to cost £100 million to sort out! Just what everyone needs in these current times!

[grahamw48]

I agree with you Dedworth, and yes it was rent-a-gob.

[scott&ligaya]

oh dear,, that job in poluted Shanghai is looking more attractive every hour

[les_taxi]

'Diane Abbott' ......
Knew it would be her to could not think of her bloody name

[Dedworth]

In France the CRS wouldn't have pussyfooted about - no questions, no stand off straight in with fists, boots and bats.

[les_taxi]

Once you start looting then the original reason you were meant to be there was clearly bullshit and a front to commit crime,in fact it's an insult to the family of the deceased.

[Dedworth]

Once you start looting then the original reason you were meant to be there was clearly bullshit and a front to commit crime,in fact it's an insult to the family of the deceased.

Quite right Les - we need a return to the old days where the Commander on the ground reads the scum the Riot Act which indemnified the Police/Troops against any legal action should the rioters be killed or injured - thus clearing the way to open fire on them.

[imagine]

Quite right Les - we need a return to the old days where the Commander on the ground reads the scum the Riot Act which indemnified the Police/Troops against any legal action should the rioters be killed or injured - thus clearing the way to open fire on them.

i agree with that, but it will never happen without kicking the whole thing off countrywide

[Steve.r]

REVOLUTION.......

[imagine]

i dont know whats wrong with having a peacful demonstration

[imagine]

iv thought for many years that eventualy our country would crumble to a lawlesness and full out anarchy , a joint police milatary state, and i believe it will, all the pressures are there boiling up to explode

[scott&ligaya]

as for the rioters, put them up against a wall and shoot them all... absolute scum just taking what others have to work for

[scott&ligaya]

scarier and scarier every day it seems.... well at least if you are unlucky enhough to live in certain parts of the country. I will admit to being sheltered mostly from the less salubrious elements of our current society but apart from reading stuff and watching the news I have not seen major effects on my or my familys life to date. I was a bit shocked the other week when I went on a bus in Birmingham for the 1st time since the mid eighties and went out to Wednesbury on the Wolverhampton 79 service. I kid you not that I was one of two white people on the bus!!!!! felt wierd like being back on the MTR in hong Kong where being 6ft 2 and blond haired/fair skinned you stick out!!!!. I did not however feel unconfortable or in danger in any way even as we drove through Handsworth LOL. My fellow passengers in the main were travelling home from the city , were well dressed, seemed happy enough with their lot and were just your average office/shop workers heading home. In fact the South Asian lady next to me engaged me in conversation about the weather hehehehehe how British is that!!!. Equally there are areas of the Uk where the ethnic minorities have CHOSEN and been ALLOWED to not integrate in any way. This is where the seeds of resentment and ignorance have started and what need challenging.

The UK seems the only place in the world where the majority of the ciitizens have been made to feel like 2nd class citiziens in their own country. the thread on pensionsers vs asylum seekers said it all for me

[johncar54]

Incredible responses from some posters.

Not so long ago the great British public were condemning the police officer who pushed Ian Tomlinson who refused to take an 'order' from a police officer in a riot situation.

How can the police ever hope to get it right after Parliament (those we elected) allowed the situation to occur and who chose to ignore the views of Enoch Powell, who as we see in hindsight, got it practically 100% right.

[scott&ligaya]

Ok here goes,

fior a moment lets actually disuss the underlying tone of this thread WAS ENOCH RIGHT?

so lets say for instance that the majority opinon in the country could be shown to want an end to immigration, forced repatriation of law breakers and non integrators. how would you make it work? Could such a referendum actually happen even if people wanted it to. remember the 100,000 person e petition. would that guarantee a discussion ... unlikely so what non violent process could be followed?


Oh did he say anything about us having non white South East Asian wives and beautiful mix children?

[johncar54]

Ok here goes,

fior a moment lets actually disuss the underlying tone of this thread WAS ENOCH RIGHT?

so lets say for instance that the majority opinon in the country could be shown to want an end to immigration, forced repatriation of law breakers and non integrators. how would you make it work? Could such a referendum actually happen even if people wanted it to. remember the 100,000 person e petition. would that guarantee a discussion ... unlikely so what non violent process could be followed?


Oh did he say anything about us having non white South East Asian wives and beautiful mix children?

One of the problems in UK is that some (maybe many) members of the immigrant community (and I include their offspring) have over the years established the right to be treated differently from the average citizen.

Why should any group expect to be provided with public money to support their (alien) community and the way of life they may have had before they arrived? Why should they be able to demand that the system be changed to suit them?

When a person settles in UK they get all the rights that everyone has, free education, free health service, social security benefits etc. So why should they demand and get more? But they do and they will continue to do so.

I live in Spain. If I am lucky I get a fair deal compared with Spaniards. I am grateful for that, I do not expect to get a better deal.

[scott&ligaya]

BUT How CAN IT BE CHANGED that is my question for my fellow forummers.. assuming that you would want to change something... it`s after all easy for us to sit here and complain about stuff. who has the solution and the inclination to change it.. I will say now . not me.. too busy providing for my family... and looking for a way out of here.. yes cowardly if you like, easier to run than fight..probably but I am expressing my free will before we do not have any.