Tottenham riots last night........

[Tawi2]

Tottenham had riots last night,the local rumour was it was triggered(pardon the pun)by the shooting dead of an IC3(Black)kid on thursday after he fired at local plod Rioters attacked the local cop-shop throwing petrol bombs and torching several police vehicles,they burned a large number of buildings in the area,looted the local retail park,torched peoples houses etc Its already being likened to the broadwater farm riots,I just watched sky-news and saw a queue of black kids lining up to jump through shop windows to knick whatever is around,I wonder why there hasnt been a formal announcement from Downing Street as this all began at 8pm last night

[Tawi2]

Sorry,No10 have issued a statement......

The scenes from last night are totally unnaceptable,

Thats it,succinct,short'n'sweet

[Tawi2]

But what do you expect given Tottenhams "Multiculturalism"

Tottenham is a multicultural hotspot with many different ethnic groups inhabiting the area. It is often referred to as a black area because it contains one of the largest and most significant populations of African-Caribbean people. These were among the earliest immigrant groups to settle in the area, starting the UK's Windrush era soon after West African communities - notably the many Ghanaians - begun to migrate into the area. Between 1980 and the present day there has been a slow immigration of Colombians, Albanian, Kurdish, Turkish-Cypriot, Turkish, Irish, and Portuguese populations.[citation needed] South Tottenham is reported to be the most ethnically-diverse area in Europe, with up to 300 languages being spoken by its residents.

[johncar54]

This is an almost carbon copy of the Tottenham riot in 1985. The only difference is that this time the rioters did not make a premature start to the riot (unlike in 1985 when it started on the Broadwater Farm Estate instead of as planned in Shopping City, where they could have looted the shops).

Was Enoch Powell correct ?

[les_taxi]

Instant deportation for anyone caught rioting/looting that might make a few of then reconsider their actions

[Tawi2]

Instant deportation

To where though?Most of these black kids were born here in the UK,no one else will accept them

[johncar54]

This overlapped the last comment

Instant deportation for anyone caught rioting/looting that might make a few of then reconsider their actions

Where do you deport 3rd and 4th generation immigrants to, they are British ?

And to be able to deport anyone the 'receiving country' must agree to accept them. Can you imagine the outcry if the UK agreed to accept a pedophile who murdered some children say in Australia, who happened to be the grandson of an immigrant who left UK in the 1950's.

Sorry Les, your idea is unworkable.

[Tawi2]

Tomorrow some half-assed MP will turn up there with a bunch of camera-men and promise regeneration,investment etc for the area,a think-tank will work out whats best to keep the local youths appeased,but at the end of the day no-ones going to have the bottle to tell the truth to the cameras,that its just a bunch of criminal minded trouble making drug-taking immigrants doing what they do best

[les_taxi]

Deport anyone who was not born here is what I meant sorry.

[johncar54]

But I would bet that almost all involved last night were born in UK. Probably the children of the 1985 rioters !

In the 1985 Broadwater Farm riot they were almost all, (or maybe even all) were British

The ethnic mix of those arrested reflected almost exactly the population balance. (I was on the investigation, so I know the details)

[les_taxi]

To me putting peoples lives at risk,looting having no regard for anyone's safety is totally unacceptable and is clearly racist against the white community.
How can we regard these people as british?

[johncar54]

To me putting peoples lives at risk,looting having no regard for anyone's safety is totally unacceptable and is clearly racist against the white community.
How can we regard these people as British?

They were born in UK, probably 3rd / 4th generation.

Les I think you did not read my info re the riots in 1985. The rioters then were the same ethnic mix as the local population. As I remember, about 2/3rds black 1/3 white, and more or less they were all British born and bred (I could probably check that that info which I have)

[Tawi2]

They were inviting gang-members from other boroughs into Haringey to participate in the riots on Facebook....

Rhia 'Creole' Lawrence
x Is this a place where I can get info on sustaining the demonstration and protest of the riots? I want info on meeting points and such! x

[les_taxi]

Why is it then if they are British as I am I would not feel safe at all wandering through certain areas in the country on an evening,like Hare-hills,Bradford etc.
Always when we speak out about these issues we get accused of being Racist but many many so called 'British' people are more racist than we can ever imagine.

[Tawi2]

Because your white Les,thats the top and bottom simple answer

[les_taxi]

Yet a black person can wander through Harrogate a predominately 'white' town and feel totally safe-interesting point don't you think?

[grahamw48]

This is what happens when you have people who have no pride in or loyalty to 'their' country, and who have been brought up harbouring feelings of resentment against the host community their whole lives.

There is no easy answer, and the people responsible for enabling the situation are long since dead.

[les_taxi]

Bang on Graham

[Tawi2]

You do all realise of course that theres only one man who can solve this dilemma,one solution to this problem to stop it escalating?..........................DEDWORTH

[les_taxi]

Deworth talks sense,pulls no punches and says it how it is

[johncar54]

They were inviting gang-members from other boroughs into Haringey to participate in the riots on Facebook....

The 1985 Tottenham riots also had a quite a lot of people from outside the locality. As I said, last night appears to be an almost carbon copy of 1985.

The authorities did not learn then and they won't learn now.

Glad I live in Spain!

[les_taxi]

I think it would be Australia for me now.
There again the far right party's membership will grow and grow and one day it will kick off.

[Tawi2]

Glad I live in Spain!

I was there for three months working earlier this year,spain has its problems as well I didnt used to like the "Gordon-and-cyril's" (Guardia Civil).

Friday, May 27, 2011
Spanish Riots
The Spanish economy continues to crumble. Total unemployment in the country is now hovering at 22%, and unemployment for people age 18 - 35 is now over 45%.

The youth, after spending tens of thousands of dollars on a college education, have no job opportunities available for them. In order to pass the time during the day they have begun forming protests which continue to become more and more violent.

Ironically this is only the warm up for what is in store for Spain. Soon the country will need a bail out on its government debt. They will be forced to cut spending significantly (spending that goes toward the tax payers to stimulate the economy) and the money saved and additional money borrowed will be used to bail out the banks and ensure their continued record high salaries. (See Greece, Ireland, and now Portugal)

However, before we get to the truly violent rioting following the coming bank bail outs, we can take a look at the calm gatherings on the streets on Spain this afternoon. And yes, that is a police officer slamming a baton into a young girl's stomach 30 seconds in......

[Tawi2]

I think it would be Australia for me now.

Canada is nice it certainly wouldnt be the philippines though with massive population growth and abject poverty things have a habit of changing for the worst

[johncar54]

I have lived in Spain for 23 years. I have never been frightened to walk down any road, at anytime of the day or night ( I am an averagely built 71 year old). I was born in Camberwell, grew up in Brixton and I would never go to either ever again.

[les_taxi]

Canada is damn boring,a friend of mine worked there for a year and was bored shitless.
I know a Canadian in Harrogate and of course she supported Wales yesterday
Loser

[stevewool]

its hard living and saying what you feel without being called a racist, yes as many say on here is true, we are white and we still beleive in our country, i dont know the answer to this what to do who to blame and so on, it will only get worst is my thought

[Tawi2]

Canada is damn boring

I like fishing,as long as you like fishing then canada is super-interesting if you dont like fishing then canada is damned boring

[johncar54]

Enoch Powell's speech in 1968:- 1968 (it could never happen 'they' said)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3...od-speech.html

[Tawi2]

I just read the rivers of blood speech through twice,he was a visionary,very forward looking with clear sight.

In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office.

There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.