Tottenham riots last night........

[Tawi2]

The amount of black "Yoof workers" and "Yoof co-ordinators" popping out of the woodwork is ridiculous,theres just been one in her 50's giving a reporter hassle with her "Its ok for you lot,you got a slice of the pie,you went to university and got good jobs,but whats in it for these kids" is she really so thick?Its black-chip on shoulder time,and theres just been another "Yoof-leader" who said your looking at this problem from a white perspective these downtrodden,underprivelidged ghetto living yoof really havent got a clue,send them packing to the gehttos of their forefathers,Yard or Mogadishu,thats REAL ghettos sans 40" plasma TV's Nike air trainers(courtesy of JB Sports)and fortnightly benefit payments,sans running water and electricity,what a load of crap these community leaders spout

[Dedworth]

The amount of black "Yoof workers" and "Yoof co-ordinators" popping out of the woodwork is ridiculous,theres just been one in her 50's giving a reporter hassle with her "Its ok for you lot,you got a slice of the pie,you went to university and got good jobs,but whats in it for these kids" is she really so thick?Its black-chip on shoulder time,and theres just been another "Yoof-leader" who said your looking at this problem from a white perspective these downtrodden,underprivelidged ghetto living yoof really havent got a clue,send them packing to the gehttos of their forefathers,Yard or Mogadishu,thats REAL ghettos sans 40" plasma TV's Nike air trainers(courtesy of JB Sports)and fortnightly benefit payments,sans running water and electricity,what a load of crap these community leaders spout

Interesting to see on TV the ethnicity of the rioters/looters at the start it mainly seemed to be the bruvvas and boyz n de hood but as the copycats kicked off there's white trash, mixed race and non oriental asians at it. I'd be happy to see a lynch mob have a selection of all swinging from lamp posts.

[Tawi2]

Boys in Da Hood are mainly London,Da Ghettos Y'get me?North-west asians have to be Enfield and similar,Mancunian trailer park boys were the whiteys I think

[Tawi2]

All of these mini-gangsta "50 pence" get rich or die trying hood-rats seem to think this country "Owes" them a living and they dont have to struggle and work for it I saw one caucasian absolute fool in Salford shouting lets have a riot at the camera when questioned he said this country has to give us jobs,bloody hell,if he was offered one he would be on permanant invalidity as the shock would probably induce a work-aversion mini-stroke

[grahamw48]

Too true.

The reality is that they are mostly just lazy idle , and a total waste of space.

BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE !!!

[stevewool]

so ....... angry with these ..... , what ever you call them , my answer is you should not be out there so prepare to be shoot, never will happen but it makes you so mad

[stevewool]

just utter ......s, i wonder if they were hurt jumping through window who would they call, leave the ..... to bleed to death i say, and how come the tv crews are all there watching them come in and out or the places , where are the police, and why run 10 yards after them , send in the dogs , let the ..... suffer just like we do

[stevewool]

wher i live just terrace houses no shops and yes the ..... went smashing car windows jumping on the roofs too, they should have fell off and broke there ....... necks,

[Tawi2]

Panic on the streets of London
Panic on the streets of Birmingham
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again ?
The Leeds side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere
But Honey Pie, you're not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there's Panic on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself

Burn down the disco
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music that they constantly play
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE
Hang the blessed DJ
Because the music they constantly play


On the Leeds side-streets that you slip down
Provincial towns you jog 'round
Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ, Hang the DJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AlH2...layer_embedded

[stevewool]

and what ever .... says the youth of today have nothing , no jobs and so on , well they have more today then saturday with what they have stoll, string all the little ..... up and if any get community service , well thats just a smack in our faces .

[Tawi2]

Taking back the streets,Tonight itv1 at this moment,a run-through of the last few days,lets see what rubbish is spouted.............

[grahamw48]

For that reason...I'm out.

This whole country is simply run on the 'lowest common denominator' principle now, whether it's education, government, policing, the media or the workplace.

[Tawi2]

"Slick" the looter is on now telling why its sociably acceptable to be an aggressive-shopper(looter).

[Ako Si Jamie]

Knew one of the lads who got killed in Birmingham by a speeding car last night. Got my vehicles cleaned at his car wash. He always knocked a quid or more off the price. Top bloke.

R.I.P Ali

[scott&ligaya]

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16047769

see what happens when just a few cops stand up to the little morons, if only the other few thousand had done the same

[johncar54]

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16047769

see what happens when just a few cops stand up to the little morons, if only the other few thousand had done the same

Sorry to be critical, but that comment is so naive

(ex senior London police officer)

[Englishman2010]

Good for them

[scott&ligaya]

you are partialy correct John, in fact they will probably be sanctioned for charging without authority.. oh dear silly old me thought it was a good thing they did.

John, I was of course just highlighting the result when you stand up to mindless cowardly thugs.

[sars_notd_virus]

apparently, Britain has lost its Authority!!!
the police always comes late and where are the parents of this youngsters ,why cant they smack their children causing chaos and disturbance? is it because of the article 58 of the childrens act 2004??

[johncar54]

John, I was of course just highlighting the result when you stand up to mindless cowardly thugs.

But that is a far too simplistic comment.

If only policing demos (anywhere in the world) were that obvious !

[johncar54]

apparently, Britain has lost its Authority!!!

where are the parents of this youngsters ,why cant they smack their children causing chaos and disturbance? is it because of the article 58 of the childrens act 2004??

With 30 years experience of policing London, I can tell you that too, like others, is a naive thing to say.

Your comment was not even nearly correct in 1961 when I joined the force, long before the silly laws preventing smacking !!

[scott&ligaya]

normal demo agreed, I wish the press would stop calling these events riots, that suggests they are protesting a cause (whatever that cause may be) . The vast majority are just opportunist criminals. at any other time the police would not stand and watch people taking stuff out of shops right in front of them

[johncar54]

Why are they calling the disturbances riots?

Simply because in law that is what they are:


Riot is now defined by s.1 Public Order Act 1986, as follows:

(1) Where twelve or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence for a common purpose and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using unlawful violence for the common purpose is guilty of riot

[sars_notd_virus]

With 30 years experience of policing London, I can tell you that too, like others, is a naive thing to say.

Your comment was not even nearly correct in 1961 when I joined the force, long before the silly laws preventing smacking !!

Its not naivity JOhncar, its reality!!!
1961? decades ago...you cant change ''the so-called generations'' now, if you are so proud of your 30 years experience why not help the government resolve this issues??

the youngsters are following the government steps ''to steal''....the only difference is that government steal and make it legal

[scott&ligaya]

John, it is bit unfair of you to dismiss all others as niave because of your police background. Niave some may be however I refuse to accept that the approach taken in the 1st three days was wholly appropriate or effective. Sometimes complex situations need breaking down into just what is right and what is wrong. if at the end of that analysis the what is wrong wins out and we accept that situation ..then we deserve everything that happens and we would be better getting out of dodge.

John do not get me wrong, I am not criticising for the sake of it, I am just like a lot of others totally fed up.

[johncar54]

Its not naivity JOhncar, its reality!!!
1961? decades ago...you cant change ''the so-called generations'' now, if you are so proud of your 30 years experience why not help the government resolve this issues??

John, it is bit unfair of you to dismiss all others as niave because of your police background. Niave some may be however I refuse to accept that the approach taken in the 1st three days was wholly appropriate or effective. Sometimes complex situations need breaking down into just what is right and what is wrong. if at the end of that analysis the what is wrong wins out and we accept that situation ..then we deserve everything that happens and we would be better getting out of dodge.

I bow to your, apparent, superior knowledge of policing !!! But it would seem, it is rather like me telling a brain surgeon how to do his job because I have seen a couple of medical documentaries on TV .

Sars, Just for info. I was second in command of the Tottenham Riot investigation 1985. As a result I delivered presentations to all Met offices of and above the rank of Ch Isp. up to the Assistant Commissioners, to detectives in training school, and officers on instruction courses on policing public order ( well over 1,000 officers) on the lessons we had learnt in our investigation.

[Arthur Little]

Not sure if question time is on on wednesday but no doubt that bag Abbott will be on it defending the ethnic minority

No, ... 'Question Time' is usually televised on Thursday nights following the main 10 o'clock National, International & Regional News programmes. But I think it's having its customary break for the "summer" months - unless, of course, the BBC decides to rustle up a special edition in the light of the current crisis.

Okay, folks ... there IS going to be a special edition of 'Question Time' TONIGHT at 10.35 on BBC1.

Should be interesting!

[scott&ligaya]

perhaps you are correct John, but surely with the benefit of that experience you are well positioned to comment on if you feel completely comfortable with how things were handled.. Personally I believe the isssue lies in how they are constrained by so much potential litigation and even loss of their careers and of course the nature of the very mobile looting does not lend itself to instant response in such a large city.

I do not profess to have a solution so I will bow to your superior knowledge.

[sars_notd_virus]

Sars, Just for info. I was second in command of the Tottenham Riot investigation 1985. As a result I delivered presentations to all Met offices of and above the rank of Ch Isp. up to the Assistant Commissioners, to detectives in training school, and officers on instruction courses on policing public order ( well over 1,000 officer) on the lessons we had learnt in our investigation.

John, the common people doesnt want war but the soldiers are being sent out to war
The police are more than happy enough policing the motorways
why not just admit the fact that the soldiers and the police share the same rules ''obey first before you complain''
..am sure with all the list of your achievements , you still follow and obey the rules of your commander in chief a higher and first ranker than you.

..I hope that this chaos and disturbances will be resolve soon...not good for our future generations to follow

[scott&ligaya]

and what lessons were learnt? and have they been implemented? if not who stopped or watered down your reccomendations?