so called human beings

[grahamw48]

I agree that discipline is the key, but it is the actions of our past governments that have largely taken away from parents, teachers and the police the ability to impose 'traditional' discipline, while PAYING people to be idle and to reproduce irresponsibly.

[Englishman2010]

I agree that discipline is the key, but it is the actions of our past governments that have largely taken away from parents, teachers and the police the ability to impose 'traditional' discipline, while PAYING people to be idle and to reproduce irresponsibly.

That just about sums it up Graham

However, what measures do you include when you say "Traditional discipline"? I am personally completely against the use of smacking to discipline children. I was never smacked as a child and I have never smacked my kids. TBH I don't think they've ever been naughty enough for me to ever consider it as an option. I was brought up to know right from wrong and was punished by severe tellings off or groundings, loss of pocket money, treats...etc as a kid, and I turned out OK and I intend to raise my kids the same way as I was raised.