hmmmmm I dunno they said that there's a lot of UK citizen wants UK to leave EU I wonder what will happen hmmm
Yes please.
In reality... I dont think it will ever happen. Just think of all the illegals who would lose their 'human rights'
If you want your dreams to come true ...... first you have to wake up
The problem that exists now is the trade agreements within Europe, which would heavily impact exports should we decide to leave the EU, however I think it would all balance out in time. The root of the UK's problems are not just with the EU, but with a society hooked on the welfare state, the only way to resolve the problem is to make people work. Idle hands, mischief etc etc.
I don't think trade would be an issue if we left the EU. Britain has always been an advocate of free trade agreements and that is what the EEC/Common Market was supposed to be for. Other non EU European countries such as Norway and Switzerland have signed the European Free Trade Agreement.
Somewhat ironic but we were a founder member of EFTA.Originally Posted by Englishman2010
I'd love to see us walk away from the EU Eurotrash
i dont think it would effect trade, in fact if we were buying our own produce, im sure our farmers would recover from their long suffering,
good for the enviroment too less pollution, caused by long hall goods transportation,
supermarkets with uk grown fruit and veg, and not forgetting uk meats
Just my opinion, but I believe, overall, it would be better for us financially and socially to withdraw from the EU as it is now.
....And we (had to ?) dump our Australian and New Zealand trading partners, along with a lot of other Commonwealth friends because of bloody EU protectionism.
Remember all that cheap New Zealand Lamb, plus dairy products ?
I can't see it happening though. All Governments have promoted London as one of the worlds major Financial centres, after New York and Tokyo it is probably the biggest in the world. This brings in a huge amount of corporation tax and even after the credit crunch it still adds a huge chunk of income to help ease our balance of payments defecit. Last month London brought in £6.7Bn.
Frankfurt has been snapping at London's heels for a long time, if we left the EU, much of the EU trade that comes into London will be diverted to Frankfurt. For this reason alone, I don't think any Government would dare leave the EU
Well, I'd happily take a 25% cut in my living standards if it meant getting our country back.
Let the greedy parasitic bankers sling their hooks.
Other businesses will take their place....perhaps even MANUFACTURERS, who can provide thousands with useful and productive jobs, rather than a few pricks pressing buttons on computers.
I'm totally for leaving Europe and establishing our own trade links and deals.
We should be running our own destiny here not being told what to do by Idiots in Europe
from a hard working Englishman , what do Europe give to us, can anyone answer that
I'm not disagreeing with you Graham, but the fact is we can't compete with the developing world when it comes to things we used to manufacture and still need. The only way an advanced economy can move forward is to develop super hi tech industries, like F1 technology, specialist optical and laser equipment, sophisticated defence systems....etc. The developing world doesnt have the technology to manufacture these items yet. Nearly all of our household goods and clothing is made in Asia because it's cheaper to make it there and ship it back over here. Even if our factories were full of people earning minimum wage and making everything we need for our basic needs, the costs of goods in shope would treble or more. The public would never stand for that, and more importantly, the people in this country who need to be gainfully employed, won't get off their arses and work.Other businesses will take their place....perhaps even MANUFACTURERS, who can provide thousands with useful and productive jobs, rather than a few pricks pressing buttons on computers.
It's no good saying we can become a hi-tech service economy, again the people who we want to get off the dole haven't got the intelligence to work in a service industry.
The reason Japan has failed as an economy for the last 20 years is that it became over reliant on electronics and car manufacturing. The rest of Asia can now make these things far cheaper than Japan and will fast catch up with them - Taiwan, South Korea and Malaysia are now fully industrialised nations.
We should look to the Swiss, Finnish, Swedish and German economic and manufacturing models. they make high quality things that no one else can make as well as they do.
Yep Frankfurt would scoop up lots of trade and of course in all sectors of industry European and EMEA headquarters which are based in London may have to think if they wish to be in London or at least move some operations and personnel to an EU country.
Some of the factories we do have doing final assembly which have created many jobs in many sectors possibly would be scaled down or moved into an EU region.
Would scotland, Wales and Nohern ireland vote to move out of EU? Not sure of what could and coulcn't happen but wales and Scotland might possibly fight hard to become small countries within the EU??
Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops
I don't disagree with any of that Ian, and of course we have to live in the REAL world.
One thing the Japanese DO do is buy their own products.
A lot of what has become wrong with this country is down to consumers not exercising their right to buy what is (or was
Cunard ships built in Europe while 1,000s of skilled shipyard workers are on the dole, police forces buying Volvos and BMWs while our motor industry dies, etc etc.
Instead of trying to rectify the problems in our industries, and in the meantime SUPPORT them wherever possible, there is the knee-jerk reaction to kick them into touch, the workers in the teeth, lose our skill-base, and buy in from foreign suppliers.
Short-sighted nonsense, and depriving our own children of the fruits of their grandparents' labours.
I buy British cars because I'm BRITISH and I want to support my own. I DON'T CARE if there are a few less frills on the car or if it doesn't have a 10-year (usually worthless anyway) warranty, or a remote-opening bloody petrol cap.
I agree with you Graham, we should try to buy British
The problem with a lot of British manufacturing of mass produced good and cars was that the quality of what they made was absolute crap. Look at the British car industry in the 70's. BL churned out some absolute sh1te, they could have churned out even more sh1te if they weren't striking for most of the decade.
There needs to be far more national pride in this country, but that also means the people making our products should do it for Britain and to the best of their ability and not striking beacuse they want an extra tea break
I agree, but again I lay that at the door of the govts of the day, because they had the power to do something about the communist-run unions, just as more recent ones had the power to curb the banks and their suicidal tendencies.
Throughout the 70s I was running British cars (BL and Ford), which were no better or worse for reliability than the foreign competition, but I also noticed how the rust-bucket Japanese ones...albeit with 'FREE' radio and remote-opening boot-lid were rotting away on people's drives after a couple of years.
The foot in the door was there though.
All down to good marketing and loss-leading pricing from the Japs, and hungrily lapped up by gullible British consumers. I should know, I was SELLING to them for a living.
We simply dropped the ball.
The US has gone the same way with imports, and the result has been the same for them too.
This is nothing that can't be fixed in the future, given the will to do so and the support of the British public.
I totally agree we should support british industry but its very very hard to do now as a consumer. Strangely some of the comapnies which have hidden there Britishness via accident or design actually seem to fair quite well.
But the days of making things from scratch in the UK are long gone as they are for many countries. Products are made from sources all over the world and we just have to get enough of the percentages of the products to keep Britiain up there.
In some cases we do the real money from products is often not the actual production but from the design and then reselling of the product. So we don't just need people who can work in factories but design, R&D product research, Logistics and customer care. Look at Dyson for example or Apple in America make milions even billions but don't make the product..
Countries like Phill and other south eastern asian countries have found this where the raw materials, design instruction and even managment is shipped in and the product is shipped out. low tax or tax free areas are created and in the end really all that is left once the labour prices rises or people start to complain about environmental issues is a work force who got paid ( a good thing), a community which got some extra income from the workers (a good thing) and a empty factory with maybe some tax if the company did not dodge out of it. Plus often massive clear up costs or a environmental hazzard left..
Look how India is finding they are needing to outsource to places like the Philippines the outsource work they do but while its useful for the workers of Phill the real money stays in India or even in the UK where some of the outsourcing companies who run the outsourcing companies in Indian are based and owned...
Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops
Can't speak for the rest of my fellow Scots ... but I dearly wish to remain a citizen of the United Kingdom of... and for the country - as a whole - to get the hell out of its entanglement with the "United States of Europe".
And yes ... I'm a staunch supporter of the British *Monarchy - long may *IT reign!
These facilities were ALWAYS needed, and supplied from our own labour force anyway. Outsourcing is all very well from a purely economic point of view, but at what REAL cost to the country as a whole, its way of life, culture and traditions ?
There needs to be a balance between out and out capitalism and the interests of the majority of the population.
Looking around me I see a lot of clinically obese people, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced crime, people with degrees who can't spell, the highest unemployment figure for seventeen years, mass immigration, freedom of speech killed off by political-correctness, and homes full of foreign- sourced products (many of which we invented) which could just as easily have been manufactured here.
I suppose some would call that 'progress'.
wow that's a real discussion there hmmmm just wonder if UK will leave EU what will happen to the EU citizens living in UK and those whoe applied ang got EEA Permit and EEA1 or EEA2 what will happen to those people if UK will leave are they gonna be sent back to their country and what of those having business as well as they have free movement so those who have business they will be sent home I guess so what will happen to all those so if that happens all EU citizen can no longer enter UK without a VISA and UK citizen as well can't go to any EU country without VISA hmmmm interesting.... and those UK citizen working at EU country they will be sent back is that what's gonna happen? they will not allow EEA anymore?
Well ...... if the UK WERE to pull out of the EU - which seems highly unlikely, unfortunately - those who came prior to
- and would end up paying the same fees as Brits do at present. Likewise, the said partners would require to sit the English Language & Life in the UK Tests also. All of which, I'm sure you'd agree, is only right and proper!!
Well the English language test is not a problem since they are an English country ... about the Fee would be rightful as well if the EU government is not paying the fee to UK ... well I just assumed that it is for free because the EU gov is paying for it that they are paying UK but if not then hmmm I dunno but does it work to all country that is member of EU? that wherever EU country not only in UK you would apply that it is for free? Or this thing only applies in UK? That EU partners or relatives who will apply for a permit is free? If this only applies in UK then it is unfair for UK.
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