All In Favour?

[gWaPito]

'Unions are scum'.....a tad strong although, I respect your opinion ....a good definition of scum is the two youths who attacked stole and killed a 78yo lady for her handbag carrying her late husband's ashes today...In Oldham, Lancashire.

What a sick country we live in. People want to leave there third world to live in that environment.

[grahamw48]

I certainly agree about the old lady's murder.

Just too awful to think about, poor woman.

I'm all in favour of capital punishment where guilt is beyond doubt.

[gWaPito]

I certainly agree about the old lady's murder.

Just too awful to think about, poor woman.

I'm all in favour of capital punishment where guilt is beyond doubt.

Can you imagine living your life with your partner for 50 odd years then, it all ending like that.

That story has gotten to me, perhaps its me realising my own mortality plus thoughts of my babies...who knows

No wonder some our brave troops come back from active tours messed up.

[grahamw48]

They have arrested a 14 year-old and a 17 year-old.

I hope they jail the parent(s) too.

[sars_notd_virus]

What are your feelings about the proposed strike Guys?

I hate it!! the school is close on wednesday because of this strike!! meaning... i will lost a 100quid becoz i am having a day off work

[joebloggs]

I certainly agree about the old lady's murder.

Just too awful to think about, poor woman.

I'm all in favour of capital punishment where guilt is beyond doubt.

my misses told me while working last night, that at 5pm some of the departments were alerted of a RTA, but it was in fact a 68yr old man who was stabbed many times in his back . some youth knocked on his door around 5pm so it was getting dark, asked if he could use his toilet, while the man turned he was stabbed in the back many times, and as he turned around to protect himself, he was also stabbed in his hand, my misses did her bit and stitched his little finger up, i dont think any of the wounds are life threatening, whats gone wrong with society, that someone would do this , if they catch the low life he should be charged with attempted murder and be given at least 15yrs in prison.

[RickyR]

For the original topic, I really think that anyone who thinks that unions are awful and striking is terrible should take a good hard long look at the standards and working conditions they have? I wonder how those were provided.
It's the basics of democracy, that a group of people can stand together as a collective to fight for what they believe in.
When I was working for a corporation, I spent a lot of time preventing benefits eroded away and encourage salary increases at least in line with inflation, we worked hard to improve benefits and conditions. I attended meetings with crew who were about to be truly screwed over because they weren't aware of the employment conditions.
When I left the recession hit and the company was trying to remove those benefits, whilst I suggested that an agreement was put in place to ensure that when the share price returns to a certain level the benefits are returned, no-one fought for that and those benefits are lost.

For those public sector workers, THE PEOPLE WITHOUT THE GOLD PLATED PENSIONS many of whom are professional people, have a right to protect their interests. If they've been told for their whole career they can expect this or this pension and then suddenly they reach 55 and and are told 'sorry recession, say goodbye to that' and its all changed, is this fair? I know some people in the private sector might be upset because they haven't received their pay rises this year or see the state of the economy, but thats not the fault of these low end public sector workers.

If your with a big company and your not in a union, then I think your mad and when the union people gain better conditions and rights, the non union people should be left behind on the old conditions? Sound Fair?

[RickyR]

As for the acts of violence against the elderly, DISGUSTING! My blood boils thinking about it.

[Terpe]

............ Public sector workers really pee me off, they have the best pensions and they are heavily subsidized by me, the taxpayer. I don't have a taxpayer funded superannuation scheme, I have to make my own retirement provision, only I can't afford to pay much into it because I'm paying too much in tax to support the pensions of the lazy, public service, militant scum
If they go on strike they should all be sacked and replaced by one of the 2.6 million people on the dole

I'm sure you were having a bad day Ian.
But, sorry to say, even though I do not believe that this kind of strike is either needed or wanted at this time. I certainly cannot agree with the sweeping statements you made there about public sector workers.

Working in the public sector means working for the government.
Jobs in the public sector include:-

The Armed Forces (Army, Air Force, Navy)
The Emergency Services (Ambulance, Fire, Police)
Teaching and Education
NHS (doctors, nurses and medical staff etc)
Her Majesty's Prison Service
Civil Service

Public sector employment totals just over 6 million. More than 20% of the total UK workforce.

You know that it's just not possible to 'pick and choose' which areas we want to support with our taxes and which areas we do not want to support with our taxes.
The idea is that the pot of money is there for ALL.

How many billions of our taxes are being stolen by fraud and deception.

As I say, I'm not supporting this specific industrial action, but I can understand the root causes.

I don't accept the view that public sector workers should be disparaged for doing the jobs that are wanted, needed and highly valued simply because they are funded by government.
Governments don't have any income other than from taxes.

[joebloggs]

Governments don't have any income other than from taxes.

probably not any more as the family sliver had been sold off long ago under thatcher,

maybe its time the gov did find other ways, if the co op bank can makes £100s of millions of profit, why cant one owned the tax payer? what about the big banks, Barclay made a profit of £5 billion in the first 9 months of this year. use that money to build 100,000s of houses that working people can afford to rent.

[grahamw48]

I agree there is a shortage of public housing (right to buy was ridiculous IMO, except it made me a fortune selling insulation to them), don't know where my OAP bungalow is coming from.

What is galling is that it appears all the usual miscreants, lead-swingers and asylum seekers will get first pick anyway, and those who have actually paid into the system for years and reproduced responsibly will have NO CHANCE...as per usual.

[andy222]

Governments past and present have caused all the problems. Never seen a poor MP though. However I would love to go to Thatchers funeral just to make sure she is down the hole. Or in the oven. She was part of the reason we have nothing now. Labour have made some howlers too.

[gWaPito]

my misses told me while working last night, that at 5pm some of the departments were alerted of a RTA, but it was in fact a 68yr old man who was stabbed many times in his back . some youth knocked on his door around 5pm so it was getting dark, asked if he could use his toilet, while the man turned he was stabbed in the back many times, and as he turned around to protect himself, he was also stabbed in his hand, my misses did her bit and stitched his little finger up, i dont think any of the wounds are life threatening, whats gone wrong with society, that someone would do this , if they catch the low life he should be charged with attempted murder and be given at least 15yrs in prison.

I was talking to Jane about that Oldham attack. She said Mark this happens everywhere not just here ...I dont think you can put all the blame on drugs.

YouOnly got to see whats available to watch on the internet...the only limitation is your own imagination...families are smaller in size compared from when I was born...the kids becoming insular, detached..shutting themselves in there rooms with only the pc for company....no wonder this sort of thing goes on.

What you described Joe was just awful...I admire people like your wife, really. I couldn't do that work...not the mental strength....we are all cogs and wheels with different functions, I guess.

[Arthur Little]

Retired public sector worker Arthur you must be loaded with cash.?

Hardly! ... after practically a quarter of a century in the lower echelons of public service - 6 years with the former National Coal Board ... then 19 as a local authority employee - my gross occupational pension currently lies midway between the two average annual amounts Terpe quotes in #20. ...

[Arthur Little]

... so"GOLD PLATED", my ar&e!

[grahamw48]

I'm really not looking forward to my retirement.

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......unless I have a nice young lady to put some life back into me.

[Terpe]

I'm really not looking forward to my retirement.

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Funny you should say that, but..........................................., you know what?

It's true.

For the second time today 'many a true word is.........................................'

But really it's so so true

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......unless I have a nice young lady to put some life back into me.

[andy222]

Hardly! ... after practically a quarter of a century in the lower echelons of public service - 6 years with the former National Coal Board ... then 19 as a local authority employee - my gross occupational pension currently lies midway between the two average annual amounts Terpe quotes in #20. ...

I thought you had missed that one Arthur!. Sorry mate.

[joebloggs]

I'm really not looking forward to my retirement.

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......unless I have a nice young lady to put some life back into me.

is that a Sainsburys trolly you've got graham ,
mine will be from aldi or netto

[grahamw48]

Yeah.....but still a downgrade from my current wheels.

I'll never be able to afford the price of petrol then.

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[Dedworth]

Ded's probably out celebrating, Chelsea actually won a game today

As regards the strikers led by bloated Fat Cat I'm all right Jack Union Bosses - They're a bunch of selfish, greedy ba$tards who should think themselves lucky to have a job

[Arthur Little]

mine will be from aldi or netto ...

... or Lidl, perhaps?

[Arthur Little]

I thought you had missed that one Arthur!. Sorry mate.

Nah ... I'd SEEN it, right enough ... it's just that I tend to be on here a bittie less frequently on Sundays. But no worries, Andy ... we're all friends engaging in good natured debate. That's what makes this forum so interesting!

[Arthur Little]

As regards the strikers led by bloated Fat Cat I'm all right Jack Union Bosses - They're a bunch of selfish, greedy ba$tards who should think themselves lucky to have a job

Aye ... I'd certainly be inclined to agree there!

[grahamw48]

Don't hold back Dedworth.

[gWaPito]

If you take your pensions to the Philippines you won't need to live in a trolley.....it'll save your nice lady from coming to this country.

The saying goes 'No gain without risk'.

[Dedworth]

Aye ... I'd certainly be inclined to agree there!

Just for the record I'll repeat what I posted on another thread recently

the 6 figure salaries of the Fat Cat Union bosses which 2009/10 are as follows

Derek Simpson Unite £186,626
Dave Prentis Unison £130,109
Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £117,230
Bob Crow RMT £113,011
Mark Serwotka PCSU £112,634

Former Communist Party member Bob Crow has copped a 12% increase this year

[Dedworth]

Union Barons Gold Plated Pensions

Union leaders behind the strike that could cripple the country on Wednesday are benefiting from hugely generous gold-plated pension schemes.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1f2sQYSM9