I think clegg has a point. If the EU impose sanctions on us there will be problems for us. However I think Germany are a more powerful nation than us.(Lets admit it they always have been) They are the leaders in the EU. France just play second fiddle. Its a tough one to call.
Cameron didn't sign, so they CAN'T impose sanctions on us....only on the sheep and no-hopers who did, and those in the 'Eurozone', which of course we never have been anyway...thank goodness.
The only thing Germany is worried about is having to bail out the lame ducks....again.
- Something else we won't have to do, or at least not to the same extent.
There is a whole world out there to trade with, rather than just selling exactly the same goods to each other within Europe, like some sort of pass the parcel , and stick some more profit and tax on each time it comes around.
I want to buy a car or a washing machine or a TV or a computer made in this country....THEN export the surplus production.
Time and time again the (gullible) British consumer has said no to British goods, shafted their own industries and ultimately put themselves out of work.
Apart from the 'City', as far as I can see those employed in our much lauded 'Service' industries either consist of a bunch of parasites running employment agencies, quack training courses, compensation claims nuisances, and hundreds of call-centres employing vast numbers of people with minimal skills and minimum pay.
We can't even build a flagship liner here any more, or rolling stock for the railways we invented, let alone a simple car for the masses.
Yes, by some miracle we still have a few successful BRITISH companies who actually PRODUCE something, but a fraction of what should have been.
Who cant impose sanctions Graham? They can do anything they want. You have already said we dont produce much here so what use are we to the EU? Who owns the water? Where does our gas come from? Who owns the electric?.
Ah ... but what about the North Sea oil?Originally Posted by andy222
WE own the water in OUR country. That is a fine illustration of where we have gone wrong.
Re-nationalisation of OUR national resources and utilities will soon cure that.
Our companies like BP own huge gas fields....just that we choose to sell it to other people...not to mention the vast untapped resources we own around the Falklands, AND the estimated 300 years worth of coal still under our soil.
It's all about current and future priorities. We are NOT short of natural resources or manufacturing capability...should we need it. It's government policies that decide whether or how we choose to use them.
Ok Graham we will see.
Oh, I don't expect things to change anytime soon.
Too many vested interests and bureaucrats living off the gravy train now.
We dont know what is going to happen Graham. I thought the thatcher sold the water to the french. Maybe Im wrong appologies.
No, she didn't 'sell' it. It was privatised so (unlike in other European countries
I don't agree with everything Maggie did ....council house sales and school milk for instance.
The end of the Euro (in its current format) is neigh.
In Greece, deposits held by corporations and households fell 22% from the start of 2010 through to September. 2010
… and recent data from Greece revealed that a record €6.8billion was taken out of corporate and household bank deposits in Greece in just one month.,… and this acceleration has continued as the Eurozone crisis gets worse.
“Those who can are trying to shift their funds abroad. The Greek central bank estimates that around a fifth of the deposits withdrawn have been moved out of the country”. (Dec 2011)
This a bank run, …(although the news agencies & the EU are doing their best to bury the information) . and if this continues, it's the end for Greece...... and effectively for the Euro, as a sustained bank run in Greece will spur one in the rest of the PIGs.
If Greece introduces currency controls ie you can only withdraw a certain % age within a certain time frame, it will just induce the Spaniards, Portugese etc to withdraw their money from their banks.
Goodbye Euro, hello Drachma, Lira, Escudo, Punt & Potato
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BBJ,you are correct, there is a bank run in Greece. Such events do not get fixed on their own, and the ECB will never get the German nod.
Let's be honest, the DC affair is just a diversion.
Only two simple questions really mattered for the summit.
1. Could our Euro leaders actually come up with anything new at all to help ease the Euro crisis?
2. Could our Euro leaders actually come up with anything new at all to boost market confidence in the European Central Bank's ability to step up to the mark.
The answers are: NO and NO
Those particular papers continue to remain completely blank
Cameron cannot be blamed for that.
But let's not kid ourselves, veto or not, when the Eurozone goes down UK is very vunerable. Without any strong united and co-ordinated 'national interest' policies from business and parliament, then UK will follow within 5 years.
I might agree with most of what Farage says, but there is still something about him that I don't like. UKIP won't be getting my vote. They must be a thorn in the tories side too as they are potentially taking away tory votes
Well, they'll be getting my vote.
maybe, like you've said most of what he says is true, the last time the people of the UK had a vote on the EU was in the late 70's, that more than 40yrs of slowly increasing their powers until there will be no need for a UK gov and no votes for its citizens
As those of us who voted NO back in the 70s sensed would happen, the EU has become nothing more than a parasitic monster that has relentlessly sucked dry our independence and our money.
I would rather live in a shack, but at least be able to lock my door.
Well done Osborne he's given them the big eff off pill
Britain says no to EU again: Osborne refuses to hand over £30bn of taxpayers' cash for IMF rescue
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1h0sHRN94
He is getting my vote,and I remember thinking when he was interviewed in a hospital bed after his plane crash he still looked more honest and spruce than Brown who had been groomed for his camera appearanceFarage
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