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[Dedworth]

I understand the Govt is thinking along the lines of between £18,700 and £25,700 pa.

This may well have been brought about by abuse for example from Mr M Uslim of Blackburn who is on benefits, has 3 "wives" all living with their 4 kids in Council housing and is applying to import a 4th from Karachi.

[stevie c]

APRIL 2ND Graham.

I understand the Govt is thinking along the lines of between £18,700 and £25,700 pa.

This may well have been brought about by abuse for example from Mr M Uslim of Blackburn who is on benefits, has 3 "wives" all living with their 4 kids in Council housing and is applying to import a 4th from Karachi.

I must admit i am getting very worried & nervous about this ruling as my wife is applying for her ILR in october

[lastlid]

I must admit i am getting very worried & nervous about this ruling as my wife is applying for her ILR in october

ILR is a good way off for us but we still need to be thinking ahead on this. Does qualification for ILR require close scrutiny of income, same as the Spouse and Fiancee visa applications?

[Terpe]

ILR is a good way off for us but we still need to be thinking ahead on this. Does qualification for ILR require close scrutiny of income, same as the Spouse and Fiancee visa applications?

lastlid, just to put your mind to rest. UKBA have internal guidance that states ILR refusal will NOT be issued solely due to financial reasons.

Just now I cannot locate the actual working, but will try to find it and post it here.

Really there are not any major issues for genuine couples.

[lastlid]

lastlid, just to put your mind to rest. UKBA have internal guidance that states ILR refusal will NOT be issued solely due to financial reasons.

Just now I cannot locate the actual working, but will try to find it and post it here.

Really there are not any major issues for genuine couples.

Thanks Terpe

[joebloggs]

ILR is a good way off for us but we still need to be thinking ahead on this. Does qualification for ILR require close scrutiny of income, same as the Spouse and Fiancee visa applications?

if i remember correctly , in the govs new proposals, you need to have at least the minimum income when you apply for ILR, FLR or for a settlement visa, thou i would have thought there would be a transition period for those soon to be applying for ILR maybe FLR?.

also i can't see the HO deporting people become of not reaching the minimum income, that would be that you've been here near 2yrs, married to a British citizen and then told to leave, can't see it happening, not with article 8. more likely and common sense might be that you would have to apply for FLR or keep applying for FLR until you reach the minimum income. so stopping those from claiming ILR and recourse to public funds.

[lastlid]

if i remember correctly , in the govs new proposals, you need to have at least the minimum income when you apply for ILR, FLR or for a settlement visa, thou i would have thought there would be a transition period for those soon to be applying for ILR maybe FLR?.

also i can't see the HO deporting people become of not reaching the minimum income, that would be that you've been here near 2yrs, married to a British citizen and then told to leave, can't see it happening, not with article 8. more likely and common sense might be that you would have to apply for FLR or keep applying for FLR until you reach the minimum income. so stopping those from claiming ILR and recourse to public funds.

Thanks for that viewpoint. Cheers.

[Robert86]

steve im also worried.. :( this has thrown us off track as we are also planning to start the spouse visa later this year :(

[lastlid]

I understand the Govt is thinking along the lines of between £18,700 and £25,700 pa.

This seems to be the kind of figure banded about. But I just wonder if they might start off at a lower level and ease it up slowly. Say a starting point of 10K or 12K per annum and then ratchett the levels upwards. I have to say that I am not fully in touch with the facts at all, but I seem to recall that Denmark have much stiffer hurdles for Spouse visas than we do and yet Article 8 still applies to Denmark also. (I seem to recall the Danish bit cropping up in the governments recent consultation / assessment on these matters when they were looking to see how other countries dealt with these issues).

[Dedworth]

This seems to be the kind of figure banded about. But I just wonder if they might start off at a lower level and ease it up slowly. Say a starting point of 10K or 12K per annum and then ratchett the levels upwards. I have to say that I am not fully in touch with the facts at all, but I seem to recall that Denmark have much stiffer hurdles for Spouse visas than we do and yet Article 8 still applies to Denmark also. (I seem to recall the Danish bit cropping up in the governments recent assessment on these matters when they were looking to see how other countries dealt with these issues).

Good point.

Along with the rest of the Europeans I don't think the Danes have the same bleeding heart, hand wringing perception of Article 8 Human Rights nonsense as the UK judiciary

[Terpe]

This seems to be the kind of figure banded about. But I just wonder if they might start off at a lower level and ease it up slowly. Say a starting point of 10K or 12K per annum and then ratchett the levels upwards. I have to say that I am not fully in touch with the facts at all, but I seem to recall that Denmark have much stiffer hurdles for Spouse visas than we do and yet Article 8 still applies to Denmark also. (I seem to recall the Danish bit cropping up in the governments recent consultation / assessment on these matters when they were looking to see how other countries dealt with these issues).

I doubt that any starting point would be that low.
The MAC report states the following :-

Under the assumption that housing costs are zero, the equivalent current gross income threshold would be £5,500 per year.

Under the assumption that housing costs are £119 per week, the equivalent current post-tax income threshold is £224.95 per week (i.e. £105.95 plus £119).
The equivalent current gross income threshold is therefore £264 per week, or £13,700 per year.

The above assumptions are for a childless couple.

The current "financial test" is generally based on income support levels, which for 2011/2012 are set at £105.95 per week. Means the sponsor needs to show that amount as available for discretional spending.
This was largely arrived at by tribunals and legal system.

[imagine]

I doubt that any starting point would be that low.
The MAC report states the following :-

Under the assumption that housing costs are zero, the equivalent current gross income threshold would be £5,500 per year.

Under the assumption that housing costs are £119 per week, the equivalent current post-tax income threshold is £224.95 per week (i.e. £105.95 plus £119).
The equivalent current gross income threshold is therefore £264 per week, or £13,700 per year.

The above assumptions are for a childless couple.

The current "financial test" is generally based on income support levels, which for 2011/2012 are set at £105.95 per week. Means the sponsor needs to show that amount as available for discretional spending.
This was largely arrived at by tribunals and legal system.

so if the new figures are put into place, will it still be worked out in the same way as you have put above, ie, if no housing costs the new amount of income needed could be less

[Terpe]

so if the new figures are put into place, will it still be worked out in the same way as you have put above, ie, if no housing costs the new amount of income needed could be less

Oddly there's no mention of that logic anywhere.
Only assumptions based on income. Which I feel is not fair.

[lastlid]

I doubt that any starting point would be that low.
The MAC report states the following :-

Yes, I was taking an uneducated guess. Maybe £13700 then? Or thereabouts...