We must all sign this petition

[Arthur Little]

I tried to get her a visitors visa first but that was declined which seems to be the norm if the woman does not own any property or have a big bank account and a good job
in these cases they just tell you "oh she has nothing to return to"

That's the problem ... in nine cases out of every ten, unfortunately.

if they had let her come for a visit then i doubt if i would have got married
my point is that the immigration service actually force you down the marriage route !

And a very ! At long last ... you seem to be coming round to MOST members' way of thinking!

granting a visitors visa with some kind of "bond" which is non-refundable if she does not return would be a much better way forward

Once again ... ; I'm sure every one of us is right behind you there!