Mothers who come to the uk, work for min wage, and then send half the money home to their children are the closest thing that I ever will see, during my lifetime, to a Saint.
If you agree, please shout it from the rooftops, (or you could just reply to this post....!)
Yes, I agree....plus the many thousands who work in Hong Kong and many other countries.
Graham you are right. Not just in the UK.
i agree too my fiancee is going back macau to work till we sort out another visa she will be doing same
They arent saints,they are indocrinated from the moment they leave school to send,send,send money back to the family,I remember several suicides when I was in Honkers,pinays jumping because of family pressures,I remember the loan-sharks who collected on sundays in statue square and held passports till the debts and their huge interests were settled,I just got back from pinas,nothing remotely saintly about massive mental blackmail on a single individual to provide for a full family of what are sometimes parasites,I have a friend still over there at the moment,every single day she has been back on a supposed "Holiday" family have been arriving to borrow cash,every single day without fail,she hid in the bedroom pretending to sleep once for two hours because she knew why certain family members had arrived but they just stoically waited as word had spread the family bank was home,the human ATM had arrived
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
Utang na loob is a heavy cross to bear for a single woman
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
It's a cryingshame that so many of the ordinary Filipino people are living "hand to mouth" ... while politicians "splash out" on huge, sprawling mansions worth multi millions Php in which to accommodate their mistresses.
on my own opinion not just money that concerns on this thread..its more of a womanly feeling as wellbase on my experience
Can you imagine how painful it would be to move to another country and leave your children behind?
I would say the thought of not seeing them for an entire year is gut wrenching.
These women are forced to choose between bettering their children’s lives financially and being with them physically
A place for everything, everything in its place.
Not always their children Moy,I have met pinays who never had kids of their own sacrificing their lives for that of their siblings children,they always said its their obligation,they just keep on sending like the drip...drip...drip of a tap,and the more they send the more is wanted,I just saw it with my own eyes and it makes me sick at times,mental abuse and what amounts to family blackmail,some parts of pinoy culture are ok,some parts....These women are forced to choose between bettering their children’s lives
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
I would also go so far as to hazard an educated guess that ... even SUCH wanton extravaganceOriginally Posted by Arthur Little
It's a cryingis a gross understatement when compared to the likes of the Aquino dynasty's lifestyle.
very true my friend tawiNot always their children Moy,I have met pinays who never had kids of their own sacrificing their lives for that of their siblings children,they always said its their obligation,they just keep on sending like the drip...drip...drip of a tap,and the more they send the more is wanted,I just saw it with my own eyes and it makes me sick at times,mental abuse and what amounts to family blackmail,some parts of pinoy culture are ok,some parts....where have you been
A place for everything, everything in its place.
Your favourite citywhere have you beenI searched high,I searched low,but never one with your beauty nor wit nor character did I find
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
At this point I would just like to say that the "Saint" tag was applied with full knowledge of the POV expressed by Tawi2. Views which I have heard many times.
As we all know there are selfish and greedy people in many different countries. Maybe my point of view is being coloured by living in a culture where it is now considered "normal" to encounter a person on the street, who is badly injured, or in great distress, and to react by instantly reaching for your phone to start filming them....
Exactly the same happens in pinas,within days of the maguindanao massacre DVD's were on sale in Gensan showing the exhumation of victims and close-ups of the bodies,when I was in Davao last year a guy was shot on angliongto,sitting in his car hit in the face twice, people were filming on their cells and mailing footage to friends,a friend of mine years ago lived in Manila,he chanced upon a guy who had actually hung himself in a street,people were hurrying past on their way to work and avoiding the corpse,pinoy society is no different to anywhere else to be honest,good and bad in all.Maybe my point of view is being coloured by living in a culture where it is now considered "normal" to encounter a person on the street, who is badly injured, or in great distress, and to react by instantly reaching for your phone to start filming them....
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
I'm sure nobody is in any way disagreeing with your original post John, rather just 'expanding' upon it.
Maybe I am concerned deep down that Tawi2 is right. But I hope not. The women I know seem to be very focused on giving their children a private education that they can barely afford, and hopefully have a little money left over just in case their Mother gets sick. I know that they are under incredible pressure so maybe that is the part that we can agree about.I'm sure nobody is in any way disagreeing with your original post John, rather just 'expanding' upon it.
But my friend jokes about all the cousins and other relatives who always expect a little something and this always gets my full attention.
Can indoctrination be slowly put into reverse if there is support and love around?
I totally agree with you john
i have so much respect & admiration for these women saints in every sense of the word
i might be the only lady who will put my own opinion about this thread....there or here i've been providing for my "WHOLE" family for quite sometime,and it sometimes give me so much stress and pressure,its understandable for my 2 kids since i have a sole custody on them but to my mother,father and my brother (sending him to college) sometimes its too much for me.....i always blame it to our "CULTURE" coz we were brought up with the belief that we need to SUPPORT our parents as well as the siblings.And i always thought that I am just helping them to become LAZY bec.of the financial help that i am giving them,and i dont want to be a hypocrite not to say its really,really giving me a headache now......coz they always thought that being ABROAD is like a bed of roses.And for my kids,i think giving them an EXTRA finance will compensate the thought that i am not there for them and it helps me a bit with my guilty conscience that i left them......this is just my opinion and i hope it make sense
Exactly what I said,but I am only a puti
i might be the only lady who will put my own opinion about this thread....there or here i've been providing for my "WHOLE" family for quite sometime,and it sometimes give me so much stress and pressure,its understandable for my 2 kids since i have a sole custody on them but to my mother,father and my brother (sending him to college) sometimes its too much for me.....i always blame it to our "CULTURE" coz we were brought up with the belief that we need to SUPPORT our parents as well as the siblings.And i always thought that I am just helping them to become LAZY bec.of the financial help that i am giving them,and i dont want to be a hypocrite not to say its really,really giving me a headache now......coz they always thought that being ABROAD is like a bed of roses.And for my kids,i think giving them an EXTRA finance will compensate the thought that i am not there for them and it helps me a bit with my guilty conscience that i left them......this is just my opinion and i hope it make sense
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
Thank you toging. You are helping to educate me. I am stubborn when I defend my friends and that gets stronger every day.
One thing is for sure, our more recently married/engaged members need to be aware that your lady's 'obligation' to her family does not finish or recede once she arrives in the UK, but rather the demands made upon her will INCREASE.
Blood is thicker than water, as many husbands and former husbands have found to their cost.
My advice would be, don't give her a hard time over it, as it is not a situation of her making.
One of my mates was well scammed through it,and others have had marriage break-ups due to the constant demandsBlood is thicker than water, as many husbands and former husbands have found to their cost.
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
Hmm...sounds familiar.
What amuses me is the number of the ex's family in the Phils who want me to be their Facebook friend.
She re-married a couple of years ago.
Heroism calls for self~sacrifice ... and in that sense, ladies like Grace ['toging'] CAN, in MY opinion, be likened to "saints" or - at the very least - true heroines ...Exactly what I said,but I am only a puti
We all have to be wary but the only woman who has "scammed" me (so far) was an English girlfriend who always wanted £500 for a pair of shoes or a handbag. But people told me - "Oh - she's just High Maintenance"
But if I want to give an Asian friend £50 to help with the gas bill then she is a "scammer"
Funny that isn't it???
Yes,hilariousto help with the gas bill then she is a "scammer"
Funny that isn't it???
When I say scammed John I mean 30k,slightly more serious than a paltry 50 quid methinks
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
I know. I know. Some of it is very serious. I am just a bit brassed off with casual comments I sometimes hear.
I also want to know a lot more when I hear someone use the S word. If the woman concerned is living in squalor and wearing charity shop clothes, I definitely want to know more before I would use the S word.
To me, Scammer = On the Make = Personal Gain.
If the party concerned wants loads of money from her partner (?) to help others that may also be "a very bad thing" but I insist that we invent a new word....
... I doff my hatto you, Grace! You and countless others like you.
You dont hear any casual comments from me,everything I posted on this thread is from experience and observation,I came back from Pinas yesterday,been there lots of times,had one or two relationships over the years,seen the good,the bad,and the ugly,I never sugar-coat it to make it more palatable,sometimes the truth is a bitter pill to swallow.
Sometimes you're flush and sometimes you're bust, and when you're up, it's never as good as it seems, and when you're down, you never think you'll be up again. But life goes on.
The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It's the passion that she shows to the outside world.
sure some are saints for sending much of her hard earned money back home to her family who are in desperate need, but some are gaga for sending much of her hard earned money back home to her family who could work and are taking theold saying 'it's easy to spend someone else s hard earned money'
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