Immigration

[Moy]

Make no mistake, this speech was not just aimed at migrants comming here to work. Damian Green makes plenty of references to settlement visa also.

Well worth a read.

I still cannot see how this government can bring about all the changes it would like to without falling foul of the appeals Judges. But take note that all appeals now are subject to a cost.

Interesting times ahead methinks.

For anyone whose interested here is the text of the full speech

Here is the conclusion of his speech:-

sorry terpe my brain at the moment is frozen like the ice on the road..in one word can you explain what does it mean??

thanks in many

[Terpe]

Terpe on a serious note what do you think will be the outcome for those who are already here on a spouse visa & about to apply for ILR if they are not on the kind of salary mentioned

Firstly Steve, this government is NOT going to instigate any new deportation scheme. So don't anyone panic about those issues.
Damian Green has already stated that he has the objective of extending the period from FLR to ILR from 2 years to 5 years. Now how those rules would be introduced is really anyone's guess. My own personal view is that it will be for new arrivals only. This is also the view of quite a number of legal organisations.

That's a view I have from all the writings I have seen.

Hope it helps.

I just feel a little bit more concerned now about new applications. Especially as the popular general view is so anti-immigration just now, and also anti ECHR (Human Rights Court). There could be a real mess somewhere along the line.

[Terpe]

sorry terpe my brain at the moment is frozen like the ice on the road..in one word can you explain what does it mean??

thanks in many

It means the UK Government has intentions to continue to place ever more difficult restrictions on new immigration. Probably as early as April

[Moy]

It means the UK Government has intentions to continue to place ever more difficult restrictions on new immigration. Probably as early as April

oh my and thats the time is my time to apply for ILR ..im losing hope now

[stevie c]

Thanks for the reply terpe

Yes it is a very worrying time for the new applications for spouse & fiance visa it is a very worrying time for all

[lastlid]

I think you will be ok Moy.

Its gonna be tougher for new applicants to the UK, as Terpe says.

[Terpe]

oh my and that the time is my time to applied for ILR ..im losing hope now

But you're not a new applicant for a visa. So stop worrying.

You should worry more about 21st December 2012
(Type in the date and Google it)

[Moy]

I think you will be ok Moy.

thanks for encouragement lastid i DO worry.. specially i got 3 small children in case the immigration would mess up

[lastlid]

But you're not a new applicant for a visa. So stop worrying.

You should worry more about 21st December 2012
(Type in the date and Google it)

[Moy]

But you're not a new applicant for a visa. So stop worrying.

You should worry more about 21st December 2012
(Type in the date and Google it)

i may not .. but im new to this immigration rule and restriction am just being concern as you know terpe..from the start we've been struggling to get here ,same with everybody else and this immigration
suddenly announced of changes..

[Moy]

you can laugh lastid but can you blame me

[Terpe]

i may not .. but im new to this immigration rule and restriction am just being concern as you know terpe..from the start we've been struggling to get here ,same with everybody else and this immigration
suddenly announced of changes..

Don't worry. You've always got me

[Moy]

You should worry more about 21st December 2012

im not worry on that at all..since i was born ive heard that..and up to now i been waiting for that

[Moy]

Don't worry. You've always got me

surely i got

[andy222]

The key part from Green's speech on 2nd February on the spousal route:

"In the coming weeks we will be announcing our conclusions about the settlement and family consultations that we have conducted. In those consultations there were a number of examples of the selectivity I am talking about.

In our consultation on family migration, we have made clear that we welcome those who are in genuine relationships.. But there is an important caveat..... We want those coming here to be able to integrate fully and to be independent.. This means being able to speak English and having sufficient financial means to be able to prosper.... We asked the MAC to advise on an appropriate income range for the sponsor’s income, which they have suggested should be between £18,600 and £25,700..".

This isnt new stuff. Just potentially imminent now.

I think the rest of the speech, most of it, was to do with students and workers, not the spousal routes.

I am still worried. I just dont trust what this government is going to do. By the way no replies from the MPs I emailed yet.

[Arthur Little]

... no replies from the MPs I emailed yet.

... there's a surprise! Seriously, though, Andy ... I'm sure you WILL receive a reply - at least from your MP; whether it'll be to your LIKING or not, remains to be seen.

[tone]

I am still worried. I just dont trust what this government is going to do. By the way no replies from the MPs I emailed yet.

To be honest if you do receive a reply it will be some drawn out drivel that doesnt answer your question! I hope I am wrong!

The problem may be that the MP may be getting a lot of emails saying "bravo" because a lot of people are simply ignorant to the fact that they thinkt hese changes are for everyone and not just those outside the European area!

Until you look into this at the level we all have its a mitigating reason as to why the ignorance would be so widespread..

[lastlid]

I watched Damian greens speech dated 2nd Feb on the Parliament channel, last night. (I hasten to add I don't normally watch that channel ). I dont recall him mentioning ILR. Mainly to do with immigration through the workers and student route.

Seems like he will be releasing more info on the spousal route over the next few weeks.

[lastlid]

you can laugh lastid but can you blame me

I was just laughing at Terpes post. I certainly don't blame you for worrying. But I think you are virtually "home and dry" compared to others like myself.

[andy222]

You will be ok lasltid. Theres always someone worse off than you.

[lastlid]

You will be ok lasltid. Theres always someone worse off than you.

You are right. I await Greens next revelations with keen interest to see what he has in store for those expecting to go through ILR in about 18 months or so from now. Could be worse...

[joebloggs]

i cannot see any changes affecting those that will be applying for ILR soon, you've come into the UK on a settlement visa and after 2yrs you could apply for ILR, any changes to those people i'm sure will be seen as unfair by any judges

[tone]

i cannot see any changes effecting those that will be applying for ILR soon, you've come into the UK on a settlement visa and after 2yrs you could apply for ILR, any changes to those people i'm sure will be seen as unfair by any judges

I agree - I think someone looking to start their "journey" applying for Fiance/Spouse/PBS/Student visa will be subject to the newer controls - I cant see the people already half way through the process having to be subjected to these new proposals and then the gov be subjected to a heap of legal claims!

Tone

[Moy]

i cannot see any changes effecting those that will be applying for ILR soon, you've come into the UK on a settlement visa and after 2yrs you could apply for ILR, any changes to those people i'm sure will be seen as unfair by any judges

im hoping there wont be any changes joe's coz if there is.. im goin to blame my self as unlucky indeed.. as april this year is my time TO apply for ILR hopefully

[Moy]

I cant see the people already half way through the process having to be subjected to these new proposals

i am 2-3 months months away before i could apply for my ILR..I do worry about that situation tone..

[stevie c]

i am 2-3 months months away before i could apply for my ILR..I do worry about that situation tone..

It's only natural to worry moy

I am also worried for when my wife applies for her ILR in september

[Moy]

It's only natural to worry moy

I am also worried for when my wife applies for her ILR in september

we can only hope stevie c and hold our breath

[stevie c]

Moy & don't forget to cross your'e toes & fingers

[Moy]

Moy & don't forget to cross your'e toes & fingers

oh i dont of course since ive heard that news..

[stevie c]

oh i dont of course since ive heard that news..