My brother's phil passport expired 4 years ago but he will be using his brit passport to travel with his 1 year old son who just received his British passport.
I understand there is a penalty that he will have to pay. Any idea how much this is or is it cheaper to renew?
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Please be more specific in your question.
Your brother is in Phil after a long stay..How long?
His Filipino passport expired..While he was in Phils?
What passport did he use to enter the Phils
Is he a dual citizen?
Did he show both passports on entry?
Be more specific and I will post my thoughts.
A Filipino passport can be renewed in Phils inexpensively
Just takes a bit of patience and a bit of a wait
Incidentally I was travelling out with my wife who is a dual citizen.Her Filipino passport had expired and she was using her British passport. She was stamped out,then the Immigration officer asked for her Filipino passport,realised it was expired and cancelled the exit stamp. She was told she was an overstayer for 7 years and there would be a very large fine to pay.
The problem was resolved after a chat with the supervisor
The issue of your brother may be similar. Please update the info
Sorry...
ok he's been in phils for 7 years. Passport expired while in phils and is 4 years out of date. He entered Phils with British passport and he is a dual citizen.
I am trying to find out if he showed both passports on entry.
What was stamped in his British Passport upon entry?Originally Posted by jokerevo
Hopefully his British passport will have been stamped with PP presented or something similar.He is a dual citizen so hopefully he has a copy of his oath of allegiance taken when he reacquired Filipino citizenship under the scheme. If he can present that then I do not see any real problem. He has his British passport so has correct documentation for entry to his destination (UK)
The easiest solution if these are the facts is to apply for renewal of his Filipino passport. Just apply for appointment on DFA website, complete the requirements online and DFA will email a reference number to print and an appointment date and time.
Theoretically he should have no problems leaving with his British passport if he was stamped in correctly. The problem at Immigration is the high turnover of BI personnel due to the Tier2 trafficking issue. There are some very inexperienced officers working the counters.
I have a Filipino friend in London who visits every year.He let his British passport expire and travels on his Filipino passport. He carries a copy of his British naturalisation certificate and has no problems at check in or immigration.....he just spends 2 hours in line at Heathrow with the Nigerians,Jamaicans and Somalians before being admitted.
Last edited by tanga; 25th February 2012 at 10:57. Reason: correction
My brother's replies:
Your brother is in Phil after a long stay..How long? 2003 = 9 years
His Filipino passport expired..While he was in Phils? yup
What passport did he use to enter the Phils.... i used Filipino passport upon entry it was stamped
Is he a dual citizen? no not sure, i dont have the papers alien certificate
Did he show both passports on entry? i showed both but only the filipino got stamped
It appears his British passport was not stamped at all
Was there any reference to the British passport stamped in his Filipino passport on entry? Such as foreign passport presented?
Does he have the original or copy of his naturalisation certificate?
ACR card is not an issue. He entered on a Filipino passport.
What is the real issue here? He is worried about leaving to return to UK on his British passport as he was not stamped in on that one?
If he has been here for nine years then his British passport will be almost expired.
Whats the problem with renewing his Filipino passport and using that to travel to UK.
He can show the airline his British passport or even better his Naturalisation certificate no need for visa etc
He can obtain dual citizenship in Philippines if he has not already done this. BI website has details.
What am I missing here? Seems a simple problem with a simple solution.
The concern is he will exit with the BRIT passport and present an expired Phil passport which he will be fined for and perhaps be prevented from leaving.
He is now in the process of renewing the passport but I was curious as to the potential fine value as we are trying to get him home asap.
The British passport would be the preferred choice as it is still valid. I perhaps failed to state the urgency of the need to travel.
As I previously posted this happened to my wife a few years ago. The problem being that to secure an appointment for passport renewal would have taken 6 weeks and then another 10 days or so before it would be ready and we planned to travel within a month. (2010)
Securing the new passport will be your brother's easiest and cheapest option.
So after 9 years in Philippines he can go "home"
Well we hope to take the rush option to help speed up the process!
P.I is our holiday "home" lol (love Boracay x4) and he was born in UK and lived here for over 15 years.
In any case many thanks for your help and advice so far T!
Ok. good luck to you and your brother..cant see any problem...let us know how it worked out
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Well, plot thickens lol. My Bro went to the DFA to apply for a new Filipino passport and they are asking for proof of birth registered (despatch no?), as he was born here he registered with the Phil embassy London but these records have been passed to NSO and no one can find them lol!
At the moment re-construction is being touted, which apparently takes 4-6 months lol!!! The irony is he has the previous passport number and the DOI and place of issue but they still won't let him have the new Phil passport which means he will have to pay the 5 yr penalty fees.
Right now he has gone back to the NSO to ask them to look again for this registered birth but surely the proof of a previous Phil passport being issued negates the need for it?
If only it was as easy as that.
We're talking about the Phils here.
First of all be prepared for a wait..this will not be solved overnight.
So your brother was born in UK,his birth was registered at Philippine Embassy and was supposed to have been registered by the Embassy at NSO
Do you have any paperwork to prove that there was a registration fee paid at the Embassy?
Unfortunately the DFA now asks for a birth certificate even for renewal.
It would seem that having a Filipino passport is no automatic grounds for a renewal
I can only suggest that a further application to the NSO may result in records being found..but on the other hand
a talk with a travel agent with endorsement to DFA and attorney or notary with knowledge of DFA requirements may be productive
I think the problem can be solved but will take same time and effort.
Ask the Embassy in London for an explanation. Keep up the pressure
No paperwork, this was many years ago.
Yes the NSO application is in hand. We will know by thursday. I aiming to book their flight end of March lol so timing is very tight. This is the last piece and to be honest we did not anticipate this issue.
Ironically it was the travel agent who held the original Phil passport and my bro forgot to renew it and they lost it when he returned to retrieve it ! However I did not think of the endorsement idea which I will definitely pursue now thank you!
Advice from the Embassy was the same as yours, seek NSO cert, otherwise only re-course is reconstruction timed at 4-6 months which is quite frankly ridiculous. I'd rather pay that fine.
"Advice from the Embassy was the same as yours, seek NSO cert, otherwise only re-course is reconstruction timed at 4-6 months which is quite frankly ridiculous. I'd rather pay that fine."
I think you may get a shock if you realised how much the fine could potentially be. It would be computed as how much should have been paid in visa fees over nine years plus a monthly penalty. It could run into hundreds of thousands of pesos and take some time to sort out.
I have heard some distressing cases over the years. I was involved with an NGO group regularly visiting the Immigration Detention Centre in Bicutan.
With the information that you have posted I can see no reason that you should go down this route.
It would be much better to employ a specialist attorney who can pressure the NSO to sort the problem,legally
Lets hope the NSO can sort this
Well no certification has been found YET by the NSO. They have stated they are undertaking a manual file search which for some reason my bro now needs to wait until the 20th of March to find out the result.
What I want to do is plan for the worst, let's assume they cannot find the registration. What happens next? If he was to exit with a British passport he would be immediately stopped correct? This is getting incredibly messy.
Sounds like he needs a 'fixer'.
Aye, exactly. I am pressing him to try this but he is a little....naive
latest:
NSO cannot find proof of birth registration so they will accept a stamped copy of my bro's British birth certificate as stamped by the Phil embassy!
Hopefully this is the last of it!
Good luck,hope it works out for him. Keep the forum posted on how it turns out.
Let's hope so
Let's hope soIt's done. They were happy with it. He lands Thursday wohoo.
We had to fed-ex the documents as the NSO lost them and they insisted on seeing an original registration.
and thanks all.
Excellent! As Hannibal Smith (George Peppard) used to say
"I love it when a plan comes together"
Your brother will back in time for a white Easter
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