Judges ordered to end 'right to family life' farce

[joebloggs]

how will this effect people on here ? time will tell ..

Judges are to be ordered by ministers to end the “abuse” of human rights laws which allows foreign criminals to claim the right to a “family life” to avoid being deported.

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has declared that new immigration rules will be in place by the summer to make it “absolutely clear” that those who have committed a crime, broken immigration rules or cannot support themselves must not be allowed to stay.

The move, which follows a Home Office consultation into Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), represents a victory for The Sunday Telegraph which launched a campaign on the issue last year under the slogan: “End the Human Rights Farce.”

Mrs May said in an interview with this newspaper: “By the summer, I will have changed the immigration rules so that we can end the abuse of the right to a family life.”

She added that she believes the measures will be “widely supported” both by politicians from all sides and the public and adds: “Believe you me, I get as frustrated as anybody when I see somebody who should not be in this country remaining in this country.”

In a wide-ranging interview at the end of a bruising political week for the Home Secretary, she also served notice she would not back down in the row with the Liberal Democrats over plans to give law enforcement agencies new powers to investigate on-line communications including visits to Facebook, eBay and Skype which have been dubbed a “snooper’s charter.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ife-farce.html

[grahamw48]

About bloody time !

Hopefully shouldn't affect honest British citizens and their honest partners.

[joebloggs]

or cannot support themselves must not be allowed to stay.

Hopefully shouldn't affect honest British citizens and their honest partners.

I wonder about this part effecting some people on here (proposed minimum income)

[lastlid]

. I wonder about this part effecting some people on here (proposed minimum income)

Yes. Tarring all with the same brush....

[grahamw48]

I really think they're going to have problems getting it through at the proposed level.

[hawk]

yes but as it says criminals trying the ive a familey so shouldnt be deported rule and the ones that are and ones that cant support them selfs she,s not saying about genuine immigrants that go by the rule,s dont get me wrong i dont like her or this goverment as i want to bring my wife to be here as well as other members do also its hard on everyone but mabe its a start to get rid of euro scum out that dont need to be here and let our wife,s partners here after all we pay enough money to get them the visa and be the pain and time to be allowed to be with our loved one,s

[grahamw48]

[Terpe]

The full extent of 'the changes' may become a double edged sword for genuine immigrants.

[stevie c]

The full extent of 'the changes' may become a double edged sword for genuine immigrants.

Peter how about the European court of human rights act coukd this be a saviour to some?

[Terpe]

Peter how about the European court of human rights act coukd this be a saviour to some?

Well it could be, but there are many people who want UK to develop it's own 'Bill of Rights' and detach from EU human rights.
We'll just have to wait and see.

[stevie c]

Well it could be, but there are many people who want UK to develop it's own 'Bill of Rights' and detach from EU human rights.
We'll just have to wait and see.

[stevewool]

i think your average working joe who pays his bills and just wants to be happy with his wife and children coming here to join him, wont have any rights what so ever, now if you are a european from europe, better still if you are a criminal, you will get everything, just my thoughts dont mean to offend

[stevie c]

i think your average working joe who pays his bills and just wants to be happy with his wife and children coming here to join him, wont have any rights what so ever, now if you are a european from europe, better still if you are a criminal, you will get everything, just my thoughts dont mean to offend

Quite right to steve... You certainly do not offend me

[Arthur Little]

Judges are to be ordered by ministers to end the “abuse” of human rights laws which allows foreign criminals to claim the right to a “family life” to avoid being deported.

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has declared that new immigration rules will be in place by the summer to make it “absolutely clear” that those who have committed a crime or broken immigration rules must not be allowed to stay.

... fair enough!

[tone]

I think also the criminals need to have access to legal aid removed.
I too think this could be a double edged sword though..

[Arthur Little]

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has declared that new immigration rules will be in place by the summer to make it “absolutely clear” that those who cannot support themselves must not be allowed to stay.

... GROSSLY UNfair!!

[Arthur Little]

... let's ALL just hope & that commonsense prevails!!!

[stevie c]

... let's ALL just hope & that commonsense prevails!!!

Don't hold your'e breath Arthur with this bunch of idiots in power

[grahamw48]

Worst thing that ever happened...bunch of lily-livered Liberals constantly grabbing the steering off the Tories though.

They'd make a law forcing everyone with a spare bedroom to accommodate a homeless gay, alcoholic tramp, illegal immigrant, ex-con or asylum-seeker...given the chance.

I think if the Tories were given free rein, probably we WOULD withdraw from the ECHR.

[Arthur Little]

how will this effect people on here ?

Without wishing to appear alarmist, probably a sizeable proportion of our membership could be affected to some extent IF these *minimum income proposals get the go ahead. However, I don't think *they're likely to have any bearing on those whose partners have ALREADY settled here. I'd hazard a guess, though, that around perhaps 90% of the British population will be in favour of ANY measures to curb immigration levels and, of course, this is what the Government is banking on ... seeing them as a way of earning more "brownie points" with the electorate. It's sheer political ruthlessness at the expense of a minority of decent, honest folk who ask for nothing more than the basic human right to have their chosen loved ones join them in what is, after all, their own country.

Thing is, it NEEDN'T be like that if Oxbridge-educated May - along with her "bool in the mooth" cohorts - were to finally climb down from their ivory towers in cloud land ... and start using some basic savvy to separate the "sheep from the goats". But will they?

[lastlid]

However, I don't think *they are likely to have any bearing on those whose partners have ALREADY settled here.

Of course I sincerely hope you are right. However, I am half expecting that my wife, who arrived here on 1st October on a Spouse visa, will end up having to do a 5 year stint to ILR. Not seeking to be pessimistic or optimistic, just realistic.

Will be nice if you are right though Arthur.

[lastlid]

Thing is, It NEEDN'T be like that if Oxbridge-educated May - along with her "bool in the mooth" cohorts - were to finally climb down from their ivory towers in cloud land ... and start using some basic savvy to separate the "sheep from the goats". But will they?

I think she is just interested in how her stats look, not whether she "pithes" off the few in our minority.

[Dedworth]

Has anyone actually used the "right to a family life" angle in an Anglo - Phil immigration case ?

I thought it was only foreign criminals, failed so called "asylum seekers" and other n'er do wells seeking to avoid deportation from the UK who had this "right to a family life"

[Arthur Little]

Has anyone actually used the "right to a family life" angle in an Anglo - Phil immigration case ?

Not to my knowledge ... but then, there's surely a first time for everything.

I thought it was only foreign criminals, failed so called "asylum seekers" and other n'er do wells seeking to avoid deportation from the UK who had this "right to a family life"

It certainly appears that way at the present time ... and this unsatisfactory state of affairs looks set to continue for as long as successive governments remain content to kowtow to the European Court of sub-Human Sh1tes. Instead of engaging in seemingly endless debate about Scottish Independence, should be pulling together as one nation, focussing its attention on withdrawal from the legislative shackles that bind it to Europe. But there again, that would be too sensible a move, wouldn't it!?

[Arthur Little]

Don't hold your breath Arthur with this bunch of idiots in power

No chance, mate, I won't ... if I had, I would've been dead long ago!