Minimum Income Proposals

[stevewool]

i am one of the lucky ones here, i do earn well but its down to hard work, my emma is here also and our future plans are all going well, i feel for all our friends on here and who ever else is trying to bring there partners here, good luck i say and never give up,all this talk about a burden to our state and resources, i dont think anyone who is trying to bring there partners even think about getting benifits from the government,some one should explain the cost of bringing our partners here to help this economy with themselves working and paying tax should in the long term help everyone

[gWaPito]

i am one of the lucky ones here, i do earn well but its down to hard work, my emma is here also and our future plans are all going well, i feel for all our friends on here and who ever else is trying to bring there partners here, good luck i say and never give up,all this talk about a burden to our state and resources, i dont think anyone who is trying to bring there partners even think about getting benifits from the government,some one should explain the cost of bringing our partners here to help this economy with themselves working and paying tax should in the long term help everyone

I totally agree...apart from saying you are lucky...nothing lucky about hard work..its what you've chosen to do. Me and you, both

[lastlid]

And another thing............from a slightly tongue in cheek stance, if we take the threshold rate at which people are eligible for tax credit as the determining criteria, (I seem to recall that there were moves to raise that threshold, were there not? ) why not hoof the threshold for tax credit up to 40000 a year and then refuse settlement visa applications to anyone under 40000 year from bringing their spouse into the country.

[andy222]

Ok I have been on this site for a while now and listened to a lot of the comments. Obviously a lot on here earn a good salary i.e over £26000 per year. My point is I have worked all my life. Im a qualified mechanical engineer. Because of all the engineering work going abroad I had to change my career. Instead of siting on my butt and claiming unemployment benefit I went into the healthcare profession as most of you know I work for the NHS. I think I do a good job. The downside is I dont earn the money now that I did in engineering so I am being penalised for working and not earning the required amaount. Is that my fault?

[lastlid]

Ok I have been on this site for a while now and listened to a lot of the comments. Obviously a lot on here earn a good salary i.e over £26000 per year. My point is I have worked all my life. Im a qualified mechanical engineer. Because of all the engineering work going abroad I had to change my career. Instead of siting on my butt and claiming unemployment benefit I went into the healthcare profession as most of you know I work for the NHS. I think I do a good job. The downside is I dont earn the money now that I did in engineering so I am being penalised for working and not earning the required amaount. Is that my fault?

Thats a fair point Andy. In other words, you probably at a time in the past, paid both taxes and maybe National Insurance at a much higher rate than you do now. Fair point that.

[joebloggs]

Andy222 not only that i'm sure your wife will want to work and not be a burden to the hardworking taxpayer and like most filipino's will not want or need 'recourse to public funds', and after all if they are a taxpayer they have a right as much as anyone else to claim what ever benefits their entitled to.

[gWaPito]

Andy222 not only that i'm sure your wife will want to work and not be a burden to the hardworking taxpayer and like most filipino's will not want or need 'recourse to public funds', and after all if they are a taxpayer they have a right as much as anyone else to claim what ever benefits their entitled to.

Nice one....I agree wholeheartedly
Btw Nice to read a wised up post.

[grahamw48]

I am willing to bet the wages of several hundred thousand residents of South London, Bradford and Leicester that this will not go through.

[andy222]

Yes joe she will work here if she is allowed. I still feel there will be a way round it so we will wait and see.

[Notavirusalso]

There needs to be controls but it should be fair, I married a Fillipina and we have paid all our fees etc. so I would expect anyone coming here from outside our country to do the same, But this is not the case as we are part of the EU. It looks good on the front of the red tops Govt. fight immigration but to those of us in the know know that this is targeted towards people from outside the EU and thats the bit they forget to mention, I guess telling half truths isn't lying ?
Either way this threshold is somewhat irrelevent as one could be earning 20000 a year and have a house thats paid for and low bills with more disposable income than someone earning 60000 a year with a big mortgage and less disposable income, So once again the Govt. are flapping their lips with out engaging brain or even more likely don't really care as it is some one getting paid to come up with these ridiculous ideas having never been or know anyone in that situation.
Bunch of big footed red nosed clowns should all be working for Billy Smart

[lastlid]

There needs to be controls but it should be fair, I married a Fillipina and we have paid all our fees etc. so I would expect anyone coming here from outside our country to do the same, But this is not the case as we are part of the EU. It looks good on the front of the red tops Govt. fight immigration but to those of us in the know know that this is targeted towards people from outside the EU and thats the bit they forget to mention, I guess telling half truths isn't lying ?
Either way this threshold is somewhat irrelevent as one could be earning 20000 a year and have a house thats paid for and low bills with more disposable income than someone earning 60000 a year with a big mortgage and less disposable income, So once again the Govt. are flapping their lips with out engaging brain or even more likely don't really care as it is some one getting paid to come up with these ridiculous ideas having never been or know anyone in that situation.
Bunch of big footed red nosed clowns should all be working for Billy Smart

I agree. Any threshold, if there is to be one, needs to be fair across society, north to south and east to west and well thought out.

[grahamw48]

Totally agree...and DISPOSABLE income, as I've previously mentioned.

[joebloggs]

Totally agree...and DISPOSABLE income, as I've previously mentioned.

but thats what some immigration judges use as a guide already

but your right there will be lots of problems for the gov if they do introduce a minimum income.

[joebloggs]

Theresa May will be making an announcement tomorrow on the new rules on forced marriage.

It doesn't mention whether the announcement will cover the other issues in the consultation.

[grahamw48]

Sadly, unlike our MPs and senior civil servants who draft these regulations, we are unable to augment our salaries by making fraudulent claims for expenses to be paid out of the public purse and 'employing' relatives.

[DeltaRomeo]

A very interesting thread.. personally I would go along with the no earning threshold but with some kind of signed contract that No public funding would be claimed. In reality of course this couldn't work.. none of us knows what is around the corner and how circumstances may change. But there again.. If an earning threshold is upheld.. who knows how secure that earning capability is?

[lastlid]

A very interesting thread.. personally I would go along with the no earning threshold but with some kind of signed contract that No public funding would be claimed. In reality of course this couldn't work.. none of us knows what is around the corner and how circumstances may change. But there again.. If an earning threshold is upheld.. who knows how secure that earning capability is?

Thats a fair point too. Exactly.

[gWaPito]

A very interesting thread.. personally I would go along with the no earning threshold but with some kind of signed contract that No public funding would be claimed. In reality of course this couldn't work.. none of us knows what is around the corner and how circumstances may change. But there again.. If an earning threshold is upheld.. who knows how secure that earning capability is?

And would also agree with that.....nobody indeed knows whats around the corner...its a comforting thought there's always the generous welfare system to fall back on. Joke!

[lastlid]

Public purse yes. Handout no.

And even if it is classed as a benefit I still cant see why it should come between someone and their foreign spouse / fiancee settling in the UK. Someone just under that threshold would get very little back in tax credit, but would be excluded from bringing their wife to the UK using the 26G criteria.

Child benefit is a benefit given out to both earners and non earners. Tax credit is tax paid back to the earner and tax payer. A refund or allowance or credit.

[joebloggs]

you've a right to claim what ever benefits your entitled to, and where your wife is from shouldn't matter at all (is that not discrimination ? )
gWapito i'm against people abusing the system, infact i think if you've not paid in, you can't take out of the system.

the gov if it does go ahead will open a big can of worms, it will face many court cases, and judicial reviews, it will either U turn or it will be forced into changing the figure to a lower figure. The gov has a record at winning immigration cases, it was forced into lower the age back to 18 from 21, it was forced into cancelling the COA (cert of approval) if you wanted to get married, but this is a bigger ball game than them and bigger than the pasty tax

[lastlid]

...... and bigger than the pasty tax

Big news in Cornwall.....

[joebloggs]

Big news in Cornwall.....

Mark Samworth, who heads Samworth Brothers which owns the Ginsters brand, gave £100,000 to the Tories, between the announcement of the VAT change in the budget and the government’s volte face on Monday.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/0...ory-donations/




maybe everyone on here and other forums similar could have a whip round and make a donation the gov will change their mind to about the minimum income

[lastlid]

Mark Samworth, who heads Samworth Brothers which owns the Ginsters brand, gave £100,000 to the Tories, between the announcement of the VAT change in the budget and the government’s volte face on Monday.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/0...ory-donations/





maybe everyone on here and other forums similar could have a whip round and make a donation the gov will change their mind to about the minimum income

Yes. I saw Dedworth's posting on that. I just find the pasty thing quite funny.

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....Pasty+La+Vista

[joebloggs]

Yes. I saw Dedworth's posting on that. I just find the pasty thing quite funny.

at least you knew where you was with this guy

[gWaPito]

you've a right to claim what ever benefits your entitled to, and where your wife is from shouldn't matter at all (is that not discrimination ? )
gWapito i'm against people abusing the system, infact i think if you've not paid in, you can't take out of the system.

the gov if it does go ahead will open a big can of worms, it will face many court cases, and judicial reviews, it will either U turn or it will be forced into changing the figure to a lower figure. The gov has a record at winning immigration cases, it was forced into lower the age back to 18 from 21, it was forced into cancelling the COA (cert of approval) if you wanted to get married, but this is a bigger ball game than them and bigger than the pasty tax

You are right, of course although it pains me to say it.

I think lastlid copied and pasted something earlier yesterday and it makes sense....well, it does to me.....the consensus being, implementing this proposal, wont work.

Again there are far too many other injustices going on for it to work...like you said 'discrimination' .

Others on here have said it would/ could be a vote winner..quite possibly....like its been said before...the genuine law abiding immigrant getting tarred with all those EuroTrash.

The stories in the papers dont help there cause.

[joebloggs]

at least he had a backbone unlike most PM's and MP's these days

ade still about (going around England's countryside) , not seen much of Rik thou , they met at University of Manchester