Minimum Income Proposals

[BoholoX]

I hopw with all the celebrations it's not a good time to bury bad news...

[gWaPito]

To be honest, if this proposed £ 26k minimum is going help reduce the welfare bill then surely it gotta be a good thing.

There are a whole raft of benefits to be claimed as a couple after the ILR is in there palms.

Surely, morally it isn't right to expect others to supplement there income. I know there's a long list of injustices going on right now in our country. By adding to it doesn't make it right.

Im afraid, for a very few, they could possibly become victims of our own generous (for some ) welfare system.

[Arthur Little]

To be honest, if this proposed £ 26k minimum is going help reduce the welfare bill then surely it gotta be a good thing.

There are a whole raft of benefits to be claimed as a couple after the ILR is in there palms.

Surely, morally it isn't right to expect others to supplement there income. I know there's a long list of injustices going on right now in our country. By adding to it doesn't make it right.

Im afraid, for a very few, they could possibly become victims of our own generous (for some ) welfare system.

We've had this argument before ... and I'd rather NOT go through it all again - BUT, there are a great many decent, hard working British people who earn nothing like £26K a year. Quite a few on here, in fact! Okay, you might ... but at what cost timewise? How many extra hours per day do you work for that kind of money? And is it really worth seeing less of your wife and son for the sake of it?

Referring to your 3rd paragraph in #19 ... what's "morally right" about denying an individual the basic human right to bring his/her lawfully wedded partner to live in the country where he/she was born and bred - and paid tax - because he/she simply doesn't earn enough (despite working full time) to sponsor their partner's application?

[lastlid]

there are a great many decent, hard working British people who earn nothing like £26K a year.

66%

[gWaPito]

We've had this argument before ... and I'd rather NOT go through it all again - BUT, there are a great many decent, hard working British people who earn nothing like £26K a year. Okay, you might ... but at what cost timewise? How many extra hours per day do you work for that kind of money? And is it really worth seeing less of your wife and son for the sake of it?

Referring to your 3rd paragraph in #19 ... what's "morally right" about denying an individual the basic human right to bring his/her lawfully wedded partner to live in the country where he/she was born and bred ... simply because he/she simply doesn't earn enough (despite working full time) to sponsor the partner's application?

Btw Its actually sons now ..you shouldn't assume what im doing or earning Arthur. Nothing wrong in your last sentence....what is wrong is what ive already pointed out..ie not at the expense of the other tax payers..claiming benefits because of your partner...not too dissimilar to going to the pub with a bunch of mates then expecting them to keep you in fags and drink all night...not the done thing.

[Arthur Little]

Btw Its actually sons now ..

... oops ... my mistake - you HAVE been a busy man!

you shouldn't assume what im doing or earning Arthur.

I'm NOT "assuming" anything ... merely going by what you yourself happened to mention when this matter was previously discussed.

[gWaPito]

... oops ... my mistake - you HAVE been a busy man!



I'm NOT "assuming" anything ... merely going by what you yourself happened to mention when this matter was previously discussed.

Oki doki Arthur......its good night from him

[lastlid]

To be honest, if this proposed £ 26k minimum is going help reduce the welfare bill then surely it gotta be a good thing.

There are a whole raft of benefits to be claimed as a couple after the ILR is in there palms.

Surely, morally it isn't right to expect others to supplement there income. I know there's a long list of injustices going on right now in our country. By adding to it doesn't make it right.

Im afraid, for a very few, they could possibly become victims of our own generous (for some ) welfare system.

Being no expert on what you can and cant claim, there is one benefit I know of and thats childs tax credits.....£ 25k and under you can claim...im sure, amongst others

I still fail to see how someone who is married to any spouse and is earning 25 grand a year, for example, being classed as a burden on the state. Especially if they have worked all their life. And as for Child Tax Credit - isnt that tax relief and not a benefit? Why should someone who earns 20 to 25 grand a year be penalised by being not allowed to bring their spouse into the country on financial grounds. I say again, need it be as high as 26 grand.....

[gWaPito]

I still fail to see how someone who is married to any spouse and is earning 25 grand a year, for example, being classed as a burden on the state. Especially if they have worked all their life. And as for Child Tax Credit - isnt that tax relief and not a benefit? Why should someone who earns 20 to 25 grand a year be penalised by being not allowed to bring their spouse into the country on financial grounds. I say again, need it be as high as 26 grand.....

Child benefit is a benefit....child tax credit is exactly that, a hand out.

[lastlid]

Child benefit is a benefit....child tax credit is exactly that, a hand out.

So tax relief is a handout?

I always thought Tax Credit was like tax relief. And if you don't earn you don't get it. Not really a "handout" in the more usual sense of the word.

When my ex wife got about 15 or thereabouts quid a month in tax credit a good few years back I always saw it as tax paid by me (us) that was given back to us by the revenue boys. Not a handout. More akin to tax relief than anything, which in my book isn't a handout either.

So I still say, why 26000 grand a year? Why that high? I can't see any justification for it that is either fair or appropriate.

[gWaPito]

So tax relief is a handout?

I always thought Tax Credit was like tax relief. And if you don't earn you don't get it. Not really a "handout" in the more usual sense of the word.

When my ex wife got about 15 or thereabouts quid a month in tax credit a good few years back I always saw it as tax paid by me (us) that was given back to us by the revenue boys. Not a handout. More akin to tax relief than anything, which in my book isn't a handout either.

So I still say, why 26000 grand a year? Why that high? I can't see any justification for it that is either fair or appropriate.

I dig what you saying lastlid but, the powers that be deem child/family tax credits as public purse.
This is why those of you on a joint annual of less than 25k cant claim it until your partner has ilr.

[Arthur Little]

This is why those of you on a joint annual of less than 25k cant claim it until your partner has ilr.

... they're the very ones who need it MOST!!

[Notavirusalso]

Child benefit is a benefit....child tax credit is exactly that, a hand out.

Huh so the money i earn and then pay in tax (which we dont claim anyway cuz we are "high earners" lol) they decide that i can pay a "litle" less tax cuz we have a child is a hand out ? NO.....If i dont work or earn money or pay tax and then get given money,,, then thats a hand out