what is the first thing they asked you before they told you anything, i bet they asked about your financesOriginally Posted by yellowcloud
i've had the displeasure of having to deal with these leeches.
from today's 'The Sun' i wonder if the gov has leaked this, to see what the reaction is, if it looks like it will cause them problems then they will water it down or just say its a proposal, if hardly anyone kicks off, then they will announce the the changes.
must not be a burden on the taxpayer. Families should be able to manage their own lives. If a British citizen or a person settled here cannot support their foreign spouse or partner they cannot expect the taxpayer to do it for them."
WHAT THE!!! What about this family in this article i posted.. just ridiculous..
http://www.economicvoice.com/benefit...#axzz1xJLkOIni
I am lucky as I am the right side of this figure but I am on your side. I think the figure of 25700 is far too high. What level should it be set at I cannot say but I think it needs to be done on a fair basis and should be well thought out before implementation.
I think you'll find this is coming about now to deflect attention from all whats going wrong with this 'government' and I use that term lightly.
The 'Sun' printed it because they knew it would stir the nation, especially with this Euro fiasco in full flight.
Its to create support Joe, its not how you see it. I know they wont be making a fuss in my cul de sac. The red white and blue bunting is still out with the odd barbie dotted here and there. They'll be lapping it up...far from nipping down to Downing st to complain
well if the gov believe you need to earn £49,000 a year to bring your partner to the UK if you have 2 kids, then they need to raise the minimum pay rate to this level, why not, you still have the same number of mouths to feed and the same bills to pay no matter where your partner is from.
they cannot justify the figures at all, how are families with 2 kids surviving now if you need to earn £49k a year as the gov states, also if you and your partner are working i dont think your eligible for many benefits at all..
many families are surviving on a lot less, because both parents are working, and the gov have to take account of the earning potential of the Non EU partner.
Exactly.
oh i see both sides GWapito, your right people it doesn't effect will not give a damn about it, not til it effects them or someone they know.
just look at the Suns head line Government crackdown on migrant hoax marriages
its not ' those who dont earn £25k a year cannot bring their partner to the uk'
might get a different reaction or 'Brits need to earn 25k to Bring wife to UK, but Europeans in UK don't'
some points from the findings
Sixty-seven per cent of the applicants in our sample reported that they intend to work whilst in the UK. no surprise there, so why is the gov not taking into account that 67% intend to work !.
The majority (62%) of the sponsors in our sample had annual take-home (post-tax) earnings
of between £10,000 and £25,000. Twenty per cent of sponsors took home less than £10,000
and 16 per cent more than £25,000
Table 19: Sponsors' annual (post-tax) earnings (all countries)
Earnings Number of sponsors Per cent
Less than £5,000 36 7%
£5,000 to <£10,000 70 13%
10,000 to £<15,000 164 31%
£15,000 to <£20,000 106 20%
£20,000 to <£25,000 58 11%
£25,000 to <£30,000 30 6%
>=£30,000 55 10%
Not known 12 2%
Total 531 100%
you can see the majority of people earn less than 20k after tax.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...94?view=Binary
I bet this has something to do with the job market. I wonder if someone out there assumes that just because the UK partner earns a low salary, then the foreign partner is sure to earn a similar salary (working a job that local youths need too).
as people have already posted, the number of settlement visa's is about 50,000 a year , so if they all worked that's 50,000 less jobs for Brits and Europeans
not much when you compare it to the number of EU citizens that have taken jobs in the uk
your right in my case, only 6 months b4 i was going to apply for my misses spouse visa i was made redundant, took the first job i could find and applied for the visa, i wouldn't have meet the proposed minimum income then. my wife start training as a GP in Aug, itsnot to take account of your partners earning no matter how large or small , its unfair and unjust
I guess that intention doesn't necessarily translate into practice. My wife intended to work but for one reason or another has not been able to.
yes but there will be people who put they didn't want to work but in fact got a job
its interesting to see from the table the 2 groups with the highest % of sponsors is
10,000 - 20,000 at 51%, yet the gov could set the minimum income to near £26k.
Unless your wife has her ILR, I wouldn't count your chickens just yet.
Yes. It just looks like the government is trying to make it impossible for all but a few.
Well, the latest net immigration data (immigration minus emigration) apparently shows there were twice the number of immigrants than the government had hoped for. This looks like a drastic culling.
I think 'culling' is an unfortunate word to use in this context and on this forum.
Totally putting aside any personal interest in this, this is not about just "immigrants", it's peoples FAMILIES.
Yes, maybe immigration needs to be tackled, however this is an insane and inhuman sector to target, and goes against a lot of my personal principles.
I am not a legal expert, I am not a government expert, BUT all logic is screaming at me that they can not do this - literally can not do it.
Just as I would like to be able to swim a mile.......but I can't do it - the government might LIKE to do this, however this throws up many legal and moral obstacles.
The fact EU members can still bring in their partners, but UK citizens won't.
The fact the income level would be a catch all level, and every single economist knows that there is a London and regional loading to most salaries.
The fact that this is going to disproportionately hit ethnic minorities. Put aside any feelings you may have for a moment towards certain minorities, this proposal is racist, enough surely for the usual pressure groups to raise eyebrows
Yes, I do have personal issues here - that cannot be escaped, but I swear that if this was not the case, this would absolutely disgust me anyway
Tell you something else, bogus marriages - this will hardly affect them. Why - because most British women (it's nearly always men trying to get in) are too sensible to take money to marry a stranger. It is nearly always women from Slovakia and other eastern European countries. Remember - doesn't affect them!
Good point. Let's just say it looks like a drastic measure meant to cut the immigration rate by more than half, starting with the people whom the government considers the least likely to contribute to the UK economy.I think 'culling' is an unfortunate word to use in this context and on this forum.
I wonder how much time and public outcry it will take before those women and their associates are dealt with properly.
The figure was set at that amount because apparently thats when these benefits kick in.
Its just unfortunate the majority of the applicants annual salaries fall below that figure.
Although, it was interesting to see who the majority of applicants are.
This reminds me of some stereotypes about the people who look for Filipina/Russian/Thai partners.
what benefits thou, people keep mentioning benefits but dont name them ,,
i dont know what benefits you can get, even if your wife comes to the uk and doesn't work ,, for tax credits. if your annual income is not above one of the following 'limits', you can probably get tax credits:
if you have one child it is £26,000
if you have two children it is £32,200
if you're single without children it is £13,000
if you’re in a couple without children it is £18,000
and for some benefits the more you earn the less you get.
It isnt that it is the less well off that tend to want to sponsor a spouse or fiance applicant. There is no reason for that distribution except that it reflects the natural gaussian distribution of income.
To me there is something wrong with the fact that such a high portion of the working population is effectively eliminated from sponsoring a spouse or fiance visa. The government know what they are doing here. Putting up the shutters.
Exactly my point. I think I posed the very question about 5 times in this thread. ( Child Tax Credit isnt a benefit. It is a credit back on tax already paid. )
When, at some point back in time I qualified for tax credit I / we were getting a paltry sum in tax credit but I was paying a heap out in tax and national insurance. I certainly wasnt getting any benefits. Just paying slightly less tax, thats all.
Next we will be saying that a tax allowance is a benefit.
this is how crazy it is, if you've got 2 kids and you cant apply for a settlement visa for the wife because your income is not £49k a year, if the kids are British, there is nothing to stop bringing them to the UK and you claiming tax credits and if you work the child care element of tax creds to look after the kids while you work ( the gov/taxpayer will pay 75% of the childcare) so infact your claiming benefits that you might not be claiming if your wife was here
this is how crazy it is, if you've got 2 kids and you cant apply for a settlement visa for the wife because your income is not £49k a year, if the kids are British, there is nothing to stop bringing them to the UK and you claiming tax credits and if you work the child care element of tax creds to look after the kids while you work ( the gov/taxpayer will pay 75% of the childcare) so infact your claiming benefits that you might not be claiming if your wife was here
And then no one will be able to bring a foreign spouse in....Next we will be saying that a tax allowance is a benefit.
... that's precisely the point I'd been trying to make last night - in my middle paragraph of #48 of this thread.
lets hope its
What this government needs to know, and that applies to any government, is that there is no shame in making a U-turn.
It's being man enough to say we made a mistake and doing something about it, instead of being like little kids and running around saying but it will work eventually.
Pasty tax indeed
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