this £18600 and the government

[lolowalsh]

EXCEPT someone from the EU with a non EEA spouse/partner

You have said except do you mean that if someone was a british born and hold a british citizenship and who wants to bring a non EEA Spouse or partner

on the website they says : introducing a new minimum income threshold of £18,600 for sponsoring the settlement in the UK of a spouse or partner, fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner, of non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationality

from what i understand if they mean people who already live in england and form the N EEA area so i think Bitish people who wants to bring their spouse are not concerned by that new law

[raynaputi]

lolowalsh, go to this thread to understand.. http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....mily-migration

[grahamw48]

It means 'Europeans' (except us Brits) with non-European partners can continue to do what the hell they like...as previously.

[joebloggs]

You have said except do you mean that if someone was a british born and hold a british citizenship and who wants to bring a non EEA Spouse or partner

on the website they says : introducing a new minimum income threshold of £18,600 for sponsoring the settlement in the UK of a spouse or partner, fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner, of non-European Economic Area (EEA) nationality

from what i understand if they mean people who already live in england and form the N EEA area so i think Bitish people who wants to bring their spouse are not concerned by that new law

It means 'Europeans' (except us Brits) with non-European partners can continue to do what the hell they like...as previously.

2.2. Status of British nationals
The UK is also a member of the EEA; however, a British national cannot exercise a Treaty
right in the UK because by definition a Treaty right is something that is exercised by an EU
national when in another Member State. A British national, and his/her third country national
family members, can only benefit from free movement rights if they meet the criteria
established in the ECJ case of SURINDER SINGH. Please refer to paragraph 5.8.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...df?view=Binary

[joebloggs]

How about living in France as it's next door to us across the English channel?
@lolowalsh, yes I think it's affecting all.

southern Ireland nearer UK and they speak english

[Nick30]

We could try Southern Ireland thanks Joe

[lykayu01]

if your husband was born on the island of ireland, north or south before 2004 he is entitled to irish citizenship under the good friday agreement. i also have only british passport but will be getting an irish passport, spoke to the irish passport office in dublin today and they said it takes 10 days.

thats great more details about it would really help a lot if worst comes to worst...hope we can stay in contact as we are just in Antrim also very close in belfast...

[Nick30]

So does this mean that we can try Ireland if worst comes to the worst? It's sounding good

[DeltaRomeo]

I don't understand why folks that find they are forced to move to another country would want to move temporarily and return here. Why the loyalty?
These changes are degrading and dehumanising - to treat your own citizens as less than our European guests is wrong wrong wrong.
If I find myself in a situation that to be with my wife the only recourse is to leave the country - I would never wish to return.

[Robert86]

thats great more details about it would really help a lot if worst comes to worst...hope we can stay in contact as we are just in Antrim also very close in belfast...

add me on yahoo messenger my address is ramc86

[gWaPito]

Where there's a will there's a way.

I couldn't begin to describe the I've had to go through to first bring the ex-wife and her kids
here in the first place and then to keep her happy and the kids taken care of properly after that (well, for 12 years anyway).

I've no time for people who expect life on a plate and aren't prepared to make sacrifices.

If you truly love another person, then they will always be put ahead of your own needs and you will find the resources to meet theirs.

Nice one Graham..I totally agree..must be the generation we are from

I got family who never worked and expect and expect...really ticks me off.

[grahamw48]

Nice one Graham..I totally agree..must be the generation we are from

I got family who never worked and expect and expect...really ticks me off.

I think it's listed under 'pride' and 'self-respect'.

[Arthur Little]

These changes are degrading and dehumanising - to treat your own citizens as less than our European guests is wrong wrong wrong.

... you are sooo RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, Dave! !

[Arthur Little]

southern Ireland nearer UK and they speak english

... although, Erse is the native language!

[stevewool]

I don't understand why folks that find they are forced to move to another country would want to move temporarily and return here. Why the loyalty?
These changes are degrading and dehumanising - to treat your own citizens as less than our European guests is wrong wrong wrong.
If I find myself in a situation that to be with my wife the only recourse is to leave the country - I would never wish to return.

the trouble is , work is here, best to make plans to earn so much then retire early in another country

[Nick30]

How about living in Switzerland?

[andy222]

How about telling may and greene to off and fight it in court?

[Arthur Little]

How about telling may and greene to off and fight it in court?

, Andy ... MY sentiments entirely.

[Iani]

How about telling may and greene to off and fight it in court?

Well, this is bound to happen eventually. You know, it might be worth having a chat with a solicitor to see if it could be done on legal aid (which you have to agree surely, would be poetic justice...........government funds to sue the government).
If you rent your home, then theres a good chance you could. I would ask myself, but I'm mortgaged, so no chance.

The whole sickening thing about this, is that deep down, it is a good idea - I mean ensuring someone can support their new partner and isn't going to be a burden on the taxpayer. BUT, this is a ridiculous ludicrous way of doing it. You could be mortgaged to heck, have near zero disposable income, but qualify. Someone could be earning a really low wage but have no or a very low mortgage and be able to live well.

So it's preaching to the converted Don't they get though, the fact many of us go visit our partners at the other side of the world, doesn't that demonstrate we've got a certain affordability? Idiots!

[Paulypoos1973]

Just been reading this thread and whilst its inspiring and heart warming to see everyone coming up with ideas to get around homewrecker Mays planned changes, its also really sad to think we HAVE to be doing this. As folks British born and bred we have less rights now concerning bringing our non-european wifes here then europeans free to live/work here. Theres a lot of talk about living abroad and applying for citizenship elsewhere but we are straying a little away from the point which surely is .. WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE!

Born here, raised here, working here, family/friends here, paying tax here ... This is MY home, MY country and some witch of a civil servant is dictating to me who I can choose as a wife and bring to live with me. How dare she!

The public elected her (not me I should add) shes a public SERVANT, here to ensure my rights are enforced, protected and instead shes causing me problems. Her arrogance is beyond belief, her willingness to casually announce changes that will wreck lives breathtaking and as much as I would move heaven and earth to be with my wife Im going to fight the witch tooth and nail before even considering moving abroad.

I intend to apply for my wifes visa, expect to get it rejected on the grounds of income and then deluge the appeals process until hopefully her changes are overturned as clearly they are against human rights laws no matter how much she claims they work in conjunction with them.

Theresa May, theres a storm brewing!

In closing, I urge everyone to email Labours shadow immigration minister

BryantC@parliament.uk

Telling him your story and why you object.

Also get acqauinted with this website

http://www.jcwi.org.uk/policy/united...ed-theresa-may

Fascinating stuff and theres a link at the bottom for you to leave your story also, they are building a file of case studies.


LASTLY ..... I found a reply someone published on the net from the Shadow Immigration Minister which appears to be very interesting, suggesting Labour would instead prefer to issue a repayable bond to applicants. Please read and share views..

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=75732.0

Heres the text from the forum post in full:
I don't know if this has been posted already cause it is probably a template but here ya go...



Dear Ms ?"(&,

Many thanks for getting in touch regarding the Government’s proposals on family migration into the UK.. Many others have also contacted me to make clear their opposition to what the Government is suggesting and we intend to take a long hard look at the full package of measures once they are published.. People have cited a wide range of anomalies that could exist, including in relation to those living with a disability and the differential pay gap between men and women and whether the UK salary or assets of the migrant could be taken into account when their review is being considered.. Such is the number of emails that it would be difficult for me to go into the details of each and every case.

Theresa May has suggested that she intends to bring in a wide range of reforms, but unfortunately the Government have not yet shown us the precise details of what they intend, nor have they explained exactly how their changes would be implemented, what level of discretion there will be, or how the proposed changes will impact on different communities or people.. These should be published soon and then we shall make clear which elements of the changes we will oppose and which we will support.. We may be able to support, for instance, government proposals on preventing sham marriages.. That is why we have already asked the government a series of questions about the fairness, the effectiveness and the implementation of their policy.

Our broad approach will be guided by four principles:

·. . . . .Everyone coming to this country should expect to live by our rules, speak our language and want to make a contribution to our society

·. . . . .The right to love and marry the person of your choice is intrinsic to our shared humanity but only genuine relationships, rather than pretend ones fabricated for immigration reasons, should qualify for bringing a spouse, partner or family member into this country

·. . . . .Nobody coming to this country should expect to rely on public funds (in fact immigrants to the UK are less likely to depend on or be in receipt of benefits than the resident population)

·. . . . .Any changes have to be fair, equitable and effective.. In this regard we worry that by relying solely on the income of the sponsor (especially in the present economic circumstances when someone on a decent salary today can all too easily be made redundant tomorrow), the Government’s changes may actually be counter-productive.. That is why we are seriously considering the idea of a bond that would be payable on arrival and redeemable after a fixed period.

Once again, I am grateful to you for getting in touch.

.

Yours sincerely

Chris Bryant

.

Chris Bryant MP

Member of Parliament for the Rhondda

Tonypandy: 01443 687697 or 687621

Westminster: 020 7219 8315 or 020 7219 1894

[mistermatty]

Well am i correct in thinking that the income threshold includes your wifes income if shes already here on a spouse visa ?

[Paulypoos1973]

I should add I havent personally had a reply from Bryants office despite emails, not even a THANKS FOR GETTING IN TOUCH. Perhaps its because he was replying I believe to someone with an American spouse, and as we all know... politicians bend over backwards when Americas involved.

[grahamw48]

Excellent post Paul.

I totally agree with your sentiments, and thanks for all the additional information .

I think that silly cow underestimates the calibre of the people she is taking on.

[mistermatty]

Well am i correct in thinking that the income threshold includes your wifes income if shes already here on a spouse visa ?

well answering my own questions here lol .....Where or once the migrant applicant is in the UK with permission to work, we will take their earnings from employment here into account. If the applicant is already in the UK with permission to work on another migration route, or once they are here with such permission as a spouse, civil partner, unmarried partner or same sex partner on the family route, it is appropriate that their earnings from employment here should be counted towards the financial requirement. This will apply at the leave to remain, further leave to remain and indefinite leave to remain stages in the UK.

[Arthur Little]

well answering my own questions here lol .....

... and here was I, thinking you were ready to "take a pop" at the btch - with your avatar!

[Paulypoos1973]

Finally got an email from Bryant ..

Dear sir I have had more than 500 emails on this. I'm afraid I can only reply to constituents.

Sorry this is such a short message but it has been sent from my phone, which has a very small keyboard.
Chris Bryant

... charming, a spokesman for immigration who doesnt want to hear about folks concerns about...Immigration. Surely if he only wants to deal with constituents he should remain solely an MP and not take on the additional role.

My heart bleeds for him with regards to the phone, poor soul, must be a difficult life being an MP. Here am I unable to have my wife at my side but it pales in comparison to his SMALL PHONE.

Once again I urge you ALL to email him at

Chris.bryant.mp@parliament.uk

This is the best email address, other one must be old.

Be sure to remind him he is SHADOW SPOKESMAN FOR IMMIGRATION and as such should listen to your concerns whether or not your a constituent of his.

[Terpe]

Well am i correct in thinking that the income threshold includes your wifes income if shes already here on a spouse visa ?

The answer is yes.
But..................if you wife is already here on a spouse visa then her immigration status is "grandfathered" and these new rules will not impact her (or you) in anyway.
She remains on a 2 year pathway to ILR and cann apply as normal.

Under the new rules then it's only the sponsor's income that's counted. However when the spouse is granted UK entry then her earned income will be counted towards the income requirement after the initial 30 months stay and also when ILR is applied for after the second 30 months stay.
Don't forget that the government has stated it will increase the limits annually.

Hope that helps you

[Terpe]

Finally got an email from Bryant ..

Dear sir I have had more than 500 emails on this. I'm afraid I can only reply to constituents.

Sorry this is such a short message but it has been sent from my phone, which has a very small keyboard.
Chris Bryant

... charming, a spokesman for immigration who doesnt want to hear about folks concerns about...Immigration. Surely if he only wants to deal with constituents he should remain solely an MP and not take on the additional role.

My heart bleeds for him with regards to the phone, poor soul, must be a difficult life being an MP. Here am I unable to have my wife at my side but it pales in comparisson to his SMALL PHONE.

Once again I urge you ALL to email him at

Chris.bryant.mp@parliament.uk

This is the best email address, other one must be old.

Be sure to remind him he is SHADOW SPOKESMAN FOR IMMIGRATION and as such should listen to your concerns whether or not your a constituent of his.

I think the best idea is for all of us to send our message to our own MP.
We should also take the opportunity to highlight the facts about EU migrants being allowed to have their family members join them in UK completely free of any financial cost or meeting any entry requirements at all. Additionally that they can access some Public Funds.

[Arthur Little]

Finally got an email from Bryant ..

Dear sir I have had more than 500 emails on this. I'm afraid I can only reply to constituents.

Sorry this is such a short message but it has been sent from my phone, which has a very small keyboard.
Chris Bryant

... charming, a spokesman for immigration who doesnt want to hear about folks concerns about...Immigration. Surely if he only wants to deal with constituents he should remain solely an MP and not take on the additional role.

My heart bleeds for him with regards to the phone, poor soul, must be a difficult life being an MP. Here am I unable to have my wife at my side but it pales in comparison to his SMALL PHONE.

Once again I urge you ALL to email him at

Chris.bryant.mp@parliament.uk

This is the best email address, other one must be old.

Be sure to remind him he is SHADOW SPOKESMAN FOR IMMIGRATION and as such should listen to your concerns whether or not your a constituent of his.

Bryant & May ... the perfect match!

[joebloggs]

i keep hearing about 'public funds', what public funds???, i've never heard anyone on TV or in the rags go into any detail, as most know on here know, unless a spouse has at least ILR they cannot claim any 'public funds' in their own name.

yes the British partner can claim 'public funds' if they are eligible, but they have a legal right to just as any other British citizen (as probably many Europeans living in the UK could claim), and they probably could claim that 'public fund' if their spouse partner was her or not !

also if they have kids, those kids will probably be British Citizens and have a right to live in the UK, so again they have a legal right to those funds just as any other British kid and once again the British parent would probably have a right to claim them funds if the non euro partner was here or not.