Jobs that earn £18,600 or more:

[lastlid]

The government rules are so confusing. What exactly do they mean earn income of £18600?
I have said before in my situation I work in a team that operates 24/7 so I am contracted to work unsociable hours. However the government can argue that my unsociable hours are not guaranteed. Obviously for working weekends I earn more money. On top of this I get mileage allowance. i.e every mile I travel in the community I get fuel allowance. Does this count towards my annual earnings? On top of this I get a monthly car maintenance allowance. (Does this count as part of my income)?. Because of my contract there is no way I can get part time work as I work variable shifts.

I reckon they will just go on your last 6 payslips or your P60. So if you are in a run of 6 months when you are doing lots of overtime etc etc they will take that as is. Its your gross income that counts and not how you earn it. IMHO.

[lastlid]

Right Andy, and anyone else it might help - but don't go by my word, I'm not an expert and my vision is pretty clouded by fury on this.

I've been reading and reading the guidance on the UKBA site, and the scenarios, and there are a few ways of meeting this - in fact this is about the only part they have been anything like "fair" - they could have said pure base income and nothing else, but they haven't.

So -

1. - The simplest one - earn £18,600 or more a year before deductions. Simple and it's on your P60.

2. - Earn £18,600 in one tax year, can include overtime, can include a hundred jobs, as long as they add up to a pre tax income of £18,600 in that year - again, it will be on your P60, or you might need to just produce wage slips to add up to this.

3. - Have a shedload of savings over £16,000 to make up the shortfall - anything over £16,000 can be counted as income apparently. Hmmm, weird.

4. - You don't even have to have a year of income, if for the last 6 months your income would lead to a yearly income of £18,600, this will do - so yes, you could work overtime or get a part time job for those 6 months.

5. - Another way of having £18,600 a year - if for example you had a P60 showing £17,000, but then in one month you earned £1600 in overtime, well that would be enough - you have earned that amount - submit the relevant wage slips.

As I said, this is what the scenarios state, it's not my interpretation, it's all there.

On the other hand, you do have to have been earning that amount which will add up to £18,600 for the magic 6 months. Doesn't matter if you suddenly get a job paying a thousand pounds a week - you have to have been doing it for 6 months.

Hope this maybe helps someone.

Oh and I'm currently enquiring with my mp if benefits in kind can be counted as income. I'm not expecting a reply soon as she's notoriously slow to reply to things, but I even spoke to her a couple of days ago about it - we can see, but let's not get hopes up too much on that.

And good luck with the benefits in kind query.

[grahamw48]

If they are as cunning as I suspect, they will require a letter or contract of employment showing that your BASIC wage is a minimum £18,600 per annum (if there is to be just you and your partner).

[lastlid]

The government rules are so confusing. What exactly do they mean earn income of £18600?
I have said before in my situation I work in a team that operates 24/7 so I am contracted to work unsociable hours. However the government can argue that my unsociable hours are not guaranteed. Obviously for working weekends I earn more money. On top of this I get mileage allowance. i.e every mile I travel in the community I get fuel allowance. Does this count towards my annual earnings? On top of this I get a monthly car maintenance allowance. (Does this count as part of my income)?. Because of my contract there is no way I can get part time work as I work variable shifts.

Andy. Do you pay tax on any of your allowances or benefits? If so then I would strive to have the allowances added to your income ( from the point of view of the application ) if they aren't already. I think this is worth following up......

[lastlid]

If they are as cunning as I suspect, they will require a letter or contract of employment showing that your BASIC wage is a minimum £18,600 per annum (if there is to be just you and your partner).

I worked for 23 years where my basic wage was about 50% of my yearly salary. Whenever I went for a mortgage they took my gross income and not my basic salary.

[Iani]

If they are as cunning as I suspect, they will require a letter or contract of employment showing that your BASIC wage is a minimum £18,600 per annum (if there is to be just you and your partner).

Nah, don't worry - they're not.
They do want a letter saying you're employed, but as for the income, they just want the wage slips.

And yes, I'm a bit surprised the 'ds don't try that

[grahamw48]

Nah, don't worry - they're not.
They do want a letter saying you're employed, but as for the income, they just want the wage slips.

And yes, I'm a bit surprised the 'ds don't try that

Oops...hope they're not reading this.

[Iani]

Andy. Do you pay tax on any of your allowances or benefits? If so then I would strive to have the allowances added to your income ( from the point of view of the application ) if they aren't already. I think this is worth following up......

Benefits in kind are classed as an income for tax reasons. You can imagine what a loophole it would be if they weren't.
If Andy's allowances are classed as a benefit in kind, then he will pay tax, and it will be declared on the P11 - along with a "value" of those benefits.

Makes it frankly a bit sickening if it isn't classed as income, because many companies class their benefits in kind as part of the overall wage package
There's no such thing as a free lunch, they don't give them for nothing.

Not all benefits though are taxed as income, such as car parking IIRC. I suspect fuel allowance and car maintenance isn't classed as a benefit, and more reimbursement. I really hope I'm wrong on that and it could help Andy, but......well time will tell

[Iani]

Oops...hope they're not reading this.

Mods feel free to delete

In all seriousness, there are some things I won't talk about on here, and I have often deleted postings before I posted, after realising it is read "outside", as many parts you don't have to be a member to read.

Sometimes perhaps we should be that bit careful

[lastlid]

Benefits in kind are classed as an income for tax reasons. You can imagine what a loophole it would be if they weren't.
If Andy's allowances are classed as a benefit in kind, then he will pay tax, and it will be declared on the P11 - along with a "value" of those benefits.

Makes it frankly a bit sickening if it isn't classed as income, because many companies class their benefits in kind as part of the overall wage package
There's no such thing as a free lunch, they don't give them for nothing.

Not all benefits though are taxed as income, such as car parking IIRC. I suspect fuel allowance and car maintenance isn't classed as a benefit, and more reimbursement. I really hope I'm wrong on that and it could help Andy, but......well time will tell

You may well be right, but I would say don't close the door on the benefits thing. Like I said a few days ago, I had my travel to work paid for, for donkeys years, food at work and laundry etc. That surely has to be seen as an addition to ones income.

And for example, in Norway, they tax the rig workers on their food etc at the rig site, for example. So an argument for including benefits could be made.....

[Iani]

You may well be right, but I would say don't close the door on the benefits thing. Like I said a few days ago, I had my travel to work paid for, for donkeys years, food at work and laundry etc. That surely has to be seen as an addition to ones income.

You are right

Paid travel is a benefit in kind and taxable
Food at work isn't if I recall correctly
Laundry is a tax reclaimable issue, if you have to wear a work uniform, you can submit a claim to inland revenue and get money for your laundry bill, but work paying to wash your overalls, isn't a benefit.

Anything taxable should be on the P11, and if it isn't then the company is breaking the law.

[lastlid]

You are right

Paid travel is a benefit in kind and taxable
Food at work isn't if I recall correctly
Laundry is a tax reclaimable issue, if you have to wear a work uniform, you can submit a claim to inland revenue and get money for your laundry bill, but work paying to wash your overalls, isn't a benefit.

Anything taxable should be on the P11, and if it isn't then the company is breaking the law.

Not if the employer has an agreement with the Inland Revenue / HMRC

[cheekee]

Can someone summise the full requirements for a settlement visa or post a link.

Thanks

[deeen]

I think it's £8.90 an hour.

To the OP,
Full time team leader in Tesco would do it

Or home delivery driver. They are always short of home delivery drivers if you have 3 points or less on your license.
Also a good part time option, if you are below the threshold.

[rusty]

Can someone summise the full requirements for a settlement visa or post a link.

Thanks

If you are applying as a spouse/patner then follow the links from the UKBA website

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/vi...ly-outside-uk/

[Iani]

Or home delivery driver. They are always short of home delivery drivers if you have 3 points or less on your license.
Also a good part time option, if you are below the threshold.

I fancied being one of those drives ages ago, but I think you need a HGV license, plus they never seem to have vacancies on their websites

It just seemed such a nice chilled role

[andy222]

Thanks for the replies lads. If anyone has seen a NHS wage slip believe me its baffling. Anyway I phoned a accountant up today and he told me unfortunately what I get for milage expenses is not part of you income. So thats that. I can afford to bring the wife here but not my stepdaughter.

[stevewool]

Thanks for the replies lads. If anyone has seen a NHS wage slip believe me its baffling. Anyway I phoned a accountant up today and he told me unfortunately what I get for milage expenses is not part of you income. So thats that. I can afford to bring the wife here but not my stepdaughter.

andy, you may not earn enough but what a bout saving surely that could and should be added

[andy222]

Its not over yet steve. I have to wait for a reply from Mr Green, You never know he might give me a special pardon.. Seriously though I have to wait for his reply then see my mp. Before I take it to the media, I think my story is worth telling. Married before all the new rules came in, Daughter fighting for this country in afghanistan, working for the NHS, saving the government £thousands by providing treatment to patients in their own homes instead of them being in hospital etc.

[lastlid]

Its not over yet steve. I have to wait for a reply from Mr Green, You never know he might give me a special pardon.. Seriously though I have to wait for his reply then see my mp. Before I take it to the media, I think my story is worth telling. Married before all the new rules came in, Daughter fighting for this country in afghanistan etc.

Yep. Working for the NHS...etc ....crazy and very ironic.

I can just see you on the front of the Daily Mail now, Andy....

[andy222]

Yep. Working for the NHS...etc ....crazy and very ironic.

I can just see you on the front of the Daily Mail now, Andy....

Yes laslid sell the story for a couple of hundred grand and tell Mr Green and Mrs May to off. Im off to the phils.

[lastlid]

Yes laslid sell the story for a couple of hundred grand and tell Mr Green and Mrs May to off. Im off to the phils.

[tokage]

Hi all, ive been searching around for info on these new laws, and although my fiance is Japanese this forum seemed the best source of info and at the end of the day were all in the same boat.

ive been travelling to Japan every 3 months for the past 2 and a half years, we planned on January 2013 being our last trip when we'd marry and after that she'd come to live in England with me.

im earning (as of next months payrise) just short of 17k, with no mortgage or debts and very low rent as im still living with parents. My wage would be more than enough for me and my fiance to live comfortably on which is what is frustratingme the most.

I guess my only options are get a 2nd job, save 16,000, or just wait and see what the future holds with court cases and stuff?

also does anyone have a link regarding the 16,000 savings?

Its nice to know were not alone in this situation. As im sure it has for a lot of members here, its turned our life and plans upside down.

[Terpe]

Hi all, ive been searching around for info on these new laws, and although my fiance is Japanese this forum seemed the best source of info and at the end of the day were all in the same boat.

ive been travelling to Japan every 3 months for the past 2 and a half years, we planned on January 2013 being our last trip when we'd marry and after that she'd come to live in England with me.

im earning (as of next months payrise) just short of 17k, with no mortgage or debts and very low rent as im still living with parents. My wage would be more than enough for me and my fiance to live comfortably on which is what is frustratingme the most.

I guess my only options are get a 2nd job, save 16,000, or just wait and see what the future holds with court cases and stuff?

also does anyone have a link regarding the 16,000 savings?

Its nice to know were not alone in this situation. As im sure it has for a lot of members here, its turned our life and plans upside down.

This new forum thread may help your first steps:-

All New Guide - How to apply for a Spouse/Partner Visa